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nova
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:20:04 PM

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:21:44 PM

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WASHINGTON – Independents who swept Barack Obama to a historic 2008 victory broke big for Republicans on Tuesday as the GOP wrested political control from Democrats in Virginia and New Jersey, a troubling sign for the president and his party heading into an important midterm election year.

Conservative Republican Bob McDonnell's victory in the Virginia governor's race over Democrat R. Creigh Deeds and moderate Republican Chris Christie's ouster of unpopular New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine was a double-barreled triumph for a party looking to rebuild after being booted from power in national elections in 2006 and 2008.

The outcomes of Virginia and New Jersey were sure to feed discussion about the state of the electorate, the status of the diverse coalition that sent Obama to the White House and the limits of the president's influence — on the party's base of support and on moderate current lawmakers he needs to advance his legislative priorities.

His signature issue of health care reform was dealt a blow hours before polls closed when Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid signaled that Congress may not complete health care legislation this year, missing Obama's deadline and pushing debate into a congressional election year. Democrats in swing-voting states and moderate-to-conservative districts may be less willing to back Obama on issues like health care after Virginia and New Jersey showed there are limits to how much he can protect his rank and file from fallout back home.

The president had personally campaigned for Deeds and Corzine, seeking to ensure that independents and base voters alike turned out even if he wasn't on the ballot — and voters still rejected them. Thus, the losses were blots on Obama's political standing to a certain degree and suggested potential problems ahead as he seeks to achieve his policy goals, protect Democratic majorities in Congress and expand his party's grip on governors' seats next fall.

hartman79
#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:17:04 AM

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I think it will be very interesting to see the reaction on this forum from

certain members. Think Obama got the message or is he going to continue in his

egotistical fashion ? My bet is that he will continue and not heed the message.
You can't fix STUPID, but come November-
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hartman79
#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:24:47 AM

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Obama Election Defeat Termed 'Astonishing'

The Obama freight train that has been steamrolling American politics ever since his

election one year ago ran squarely into a political brick wall Tuesday night,

as Democrats suffered stunning setbacks in the Virginia and New Jersey

gubernatorial races.
You can't fix STUPID, but come November-
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ninagay
#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:54:27 AM

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As one of those 'certain people'; I am not surprised that the Governors chairs has switched in New Jersey & was it Virginia? Those could be a harbinger of great dissatisfaction in those states.

I have NO idea if the federal congressional majority has changed with this election. Governors have served my state from DNC & GOP now for years.

NOT ENTIRELY A BIG SWEEP: I'm seeing a black eye for ultra conservatives determined to interfere in New York:
With 92% of the count, the DEMOCRAT Bill Owens predicted to win the 150 year old republican seat in New York. A dirty little business up there,with a small special election.
GOP in fighting against one of their own, a moderate lady who might have served them better.

This is a big LOSS for GOP in that community; and represents the biggest in money and personality from the ultra right; Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson and others put huge support behind [R]Hoffman to beat [D] Owens-and caused a GOP candidate to feel shoved aside because she was more moderate..

SO, THE SEAT IS LOST TO A DEMOCRAT. The good news for them is that Bill Owens is a retired Air Force officer; Air Force attracts the intelligent and good service members. He will try to be a representative to all of them, knowing this was a hard fight, and the needs of this community is variable at best.

Its like all the other elections; a WAIT AND SEE till the next time.
In this case newly elected Owens would be up for re-election in one year.
aggiecwby
#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:31:10 AM

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I agree with nina, it's no surprise in Virginia and New Jersey. If you look at the past 20-30 years, they almost always go the other way of the party in power.

Obama was actually more of an anomoly, in that Virginia went for him in the election. THAT was the real surprise. The fact that it's new governor and supporting cast are Republican is not really a surprise.

NJ. Hmmm, not sure what "political ramifications" is tells. Corzine wasn't doing a good job, and the N.J. voters pointed that out.

But exit polling of these two states showed that Obama was NOT a factor in the voter's decisions. This was strictly at a State level. So as for calling it a "referendum on Obama", seems to be wishful thinking by the Right. In fact, both Virginia and New Jersey went to the Democrats right after Bush got elected...in 2001. I think we know how much that affected Bush's re-election in 2004, right? Same thing here. Obama has 3 years to get the economy on track, or his re-election may be in trouble.


The bigger surprise is the NY Congressional race, where a Democrat hasn't held that district 23 in over 100 years. I would think that if the Repub's had only one candidate from the start, the Dem. would have lost. IMO, this points to the moderate Republicans vs the conservatives not working together. If they continue to battle each other, it is harder for them to beat the Democrat. It will be interesting in future elections to see if incumbant Republicans are challenged by proclaimed "conservatives".

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ninagay
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:49:26 AM

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hey Cowboy..we only have to note the reaction and crowing of Nova and other conservatives to see what happens to a GOP candidate who strays from the hard line of ultra right conservatism. They absolutely appear to agree with the methods used in that special election against the traditional GOP choice of Dede - I still think, from their community history, Dede would have better served that area..jmho.

Perhaps, the lady will make the hardliners dreams and claims come true by switching to a DNC tag. This type in-fighting has caused many to re-think their tags, if not their entire
philosophy of politics.

Personally, as a voter previously conservative democrat & moderate republican,
I welcome any Moderate Republicans or Independents who would like to join our thinkers.

Dancing
aggiecwby
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:09:20 AM

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ninagay wrote:
hey Cowboy..we only have to note the reaction and crowing of Nova and other conservatives to see what happens to a GOP candidate who strays from the hard line of ultra right conservatism. They absolutely appear to agree with the methods used in that special election against the traditional GOP choice of Dede - I still think, from their community history, Dede would have better served that area..jmho.

Perhaps, the lady will make the hardliners dreams and claims come true by switching to a DNC tag. This type in-fighting has caused many to re-think their tags, if not their entire
philosophy of politics.

Personally, as a voter previously conservative democrat & moderate republican,
I welcome any Moderate Republicans or Independents who would like to join our thinkers.

Dancing



Well, no one likes to lose. But in politics NO ONE can be the winner every time. You win some, lose some and the pendulum has consistently kept swinging back and forth. It always will, and that's probably a good thing in the big picture. And fiscally speaking, I think being conservative has sound reasoning. But I can seperate NECESSARY spending from wasteful spending from being overly a tightwad. I like to think of it as "fiscally RESPONSIBLE".

My biggest issue is when you lose because of lies and misinformation. Not that this was the case in these Gov. races, but especially on the issues. I can accept the loss on a particular issue if the majority decides a certain way based on the actual truth and facts. But when decisions are made based on MISinformation and MISrepresentations of the facts, it taints our political system and frustrates the he11 outta me.
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lin22874
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:07:26 AM

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The GOP wins in VA and NJ are no reflection. help or hindrance on President Obama, but the 23rd in NY definitely sent a message to the Republican party: get rid of those ultra conservatives with all the money and an agenda that does not serve the GOP or the country.

Obama also picked up another Democrat in California who will vote in favor health care reform. No Surprise--in a state where a Republican could NOT get elected as a dog-catcher.

I agree with you Aggie as far as misinformation goes. VA's new governor ran as a moderate which he definitely is not--he is very conservative. Voter turnout was light in VA and that's a shame because that's how the Republicans win--that happened in my state few elections ago. However, Mr. Deeds ran a poor campaign alienating unions and other Democrat base.

Corzine did exceptionally well considering all the problems operating against him as a casualty of the Bush years.

Real competition is an incentive to do better. I don't know if that's always true in politics.

ME has legalized gay marriage.

ninagay
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:24:43 AM

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Yes they did, but opponents got the measure on the ballot and it was
overturned last nite in voting in Maine.

In general, most headlines go with a Democrat defeat and I'm sure President Obama
is thinking tuff about these results, as he should.

I'm still glad we have a President willing and able to take on the hard issues previously dodged by previous adms..for many years back.
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I noted in post above by a conservative; the politics of our parents..This is as if there has been no change in civilization, wars, issues, population, nor progressive electronics & other important inventions in business & medicine.NOT TO FORGET THAT BIGGIE, CHANGES IN HABITS AND RELIGIOUS PRACTICE IN MANY AREAS.

Can we BE the parents of old? Are you serious? Some values are the same and basic.[Love & respect come to mind];
But we, our children, our grands live in a changing world with new challenges each and every day. do we have to re-think some issues?

I think so, or else become a lonely hermit in a cave.
Nevermind, I'm climbing off my soapbox now, no need to throw mud rocks..Speak to the hand
dipirro
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:38:52 AM

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The banter is very interesting; both sides are spinning this in favor of their viewpoints-no surprise there however the numbers do not lie. This election was a minor indication of the mindset of most Americans...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The American spirit is independance and liberty not Government interferance and tyranny. No matter how you cut it or dice it the Governor races are indicitive of the way people are thinking now. THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CHANGE OBAMMA HAS IMPLIMENTED. Even in New York an Unknown Candidate only in the race for 30 days and outspent 3-1 over that timeframe and to top it off the RepublicanASL-AgeSexLocation candidate endorsed the Democrate (in my mind this lost the election)it shows that the message is clear and conservative values are what will solidify the Republican Party and will be the message come 2010.

The big question is will this election have any affect on Health Care and Cape and Trade. Time will tell but my guess is the Blue Dogs and Liberal Republicans are going to think twice before making their vote.
aggiecwby
#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:05:12 AM

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dipirro wrote:
The banter is very interesting; both sides are spinning this in favor of their viewpoints-no surprise there however the numbers do not lie. This election was a minor indication of the mindset of most Americans...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The American spirit is independance and liberty not Government interferance and tyranny. No matter how you cut it or dice it the Governor races are indicitive of the way people are thinking now. THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE CHANGE OBAMMA HAS IMPLIMENTED. Even in New York an Unknown Candidate only in the race for 30 days and outspent 3-1 over that timeframe and to top it off the RepublicanASL-AgeSexLocation candidate endorsed the Democrate (in my mind this lost the election)it shows that the message is clear and conservative values are what will solidify the Republican Party and will be the message come 2010.

The big question is will this election have any affect on Health Care and Cape and Trade. Time will tell but my guess is the Blue Dogs and Liberal Republicans are going to think twice before making their vote.


I have to disagree on one point....

yes, people are not happy. But the concensus seems to be they are not happy with the ecnonomy, not "the change Obama has implemented". Obama is still popular, and exit polls showed that people's decisions in these races were made independent of Obama. Once the ecomony turns around enough to start picking up jobs, you'll see the verification.

What will be interesting is to see if the far right conservatives clash with the election of moderate Republicans. There is obviously some turmoil there.
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hartman79
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:49:39 AM

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The response from the democrats is as was expected.....
They say that Obama "didn't watch election results"......bullcrap !!
How many trips did he make on taxpayer money to go campaign for Corzine ? Obama thought his 'star power' would make a difference. What Obama must realize is that his "star" has fallen to earth. It is time for all of them to listen to the American public......not some narcissistic person in the white house.
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aggiecwby
#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:15:05 PM

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As much as the righties on here want to tie the elections directly to Obama, the actual voters responses do not bare you out.

No matter how many times you repeat yourself. The voters SAID their decisions were based on LOCAL situations and politics, not on Obama. Yes Obama supported Corzine, as any President would lend his support to his parties' candidates. Palin supported the conservative in NY (along with some other "conservatives" )....is her "star power" gone too?

Once again, I'll remind you that these two very same states, Virginia and New Jersey, voted for the Democrat in 2001, when Bush was winding up his first year. Was that a referendum on Bush's policies too?? I don't think so, since he was re-elected in 2004.

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hartman79
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:27:22 PM

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Funny. LOL Dancing

If the results had been the other way around, you would have been whooping and hollerin' that Obama was the reason they won.

If the results were so inconsequential, why did Obama make multiple trips to try to 'influence' the outcome ?
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aggiecwby
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:36:38 PM

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"multiple trips".

How about 2 for Corzine, late in the game. Corzine wasn't going to win, because he wasn't doing the job his constituents thought he should. Even Obama cannot save a poor candidate, but he's obligated to try. I wouldn't have been surprised if Corzine had lost by MORE than 4 measley points.

I think Dem's are more willing to vote against the worse candidate than Repub's, even if it's against their own party. I know I voted against our Dem. Gov. last race. He sucked. But Repub's rarely vote against their own, even if he sucks. In these races, especially the N.J. race, Independents made the difference.

These races are about the economy. If this Administration doesn't get this economy turned around fast enough, the 2012 Presidential election could be difficult. I suspect more Republican seats will be won in the 2010 elections...that's the nature of the beast. You just can't hold onto the majority for too long...our system never works that way. And that's actually a good thing.

Hartman, you may disagree and you may speculate on what "would be, if"....but I think I'm looking at this quite objectivly. Considering past elections, and exit polls....this is not a referendum on Obama. Not this election anyhow. It's on the economy and jobs, and if Obama can't fix it fast enough, THEN it will be a referendum on him. Most people have the common sense to know he can't fix the problems in a few months, but he's on the clock. Time will tell.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:59:31 PM

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If Obama has any chance of fixing our economy, he is going in the wrong direction now.

It is impossible to get out of debt by borrowing more money.

When you can't pay your bills, the prudent thing to do is to stop spending.

So far the score is zero for our Big Zero.
dipirro
#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:19:36 PM

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Just a couple of comments.

The only major election Obama did hot campaign for was NY 23 and the Dem won; VERY INTERESTING!

I disagree with the contention that the vote was not affected by Obama's record. 40% and 42% of the voters stated that he did have an affect on their vote. And by the way, Health care was at the bottom of the exit polls with the Economy/Jobs being first.
hartman79
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Most people have the common sense to know he can't fix the problems in a few months, but he's on the clock. Time will tell.


You say he can't "fix" in a "few months"........ Aggie, it has gotten worse. Never in the history of our country do we have the national debt that we now have.

Never in the history of our country have we had such a government take-over.....banks, car industry, now pushing Obamacare. This country is OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE.........not OF THE GOVERNMENT - BY THE GOVERNMENT. An outside observer would compare us to a dictatorship country.
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rrivello
#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:21:17 PM

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i just think it is hilarious (the elections) simply because for months and months the "dems and "liberals" herein have crowed and strutted about how "they" have taken over and now "they" are gonna run things and no "republican/conservative/libertarian or whatever could win a post as a dog catcher. times will change and as ya say "sometimes you win, sometimes you lose". and the lady who quit (or was advised to get out?) she was a bit more left leaning than the dem candidate as was reported. personally i could care less, other than it is funny to hear the baloney about, oh this is just a minor thing etc. come on be honest! you know it chaps ya'll's butts to see a repub win! LOL
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