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Win-XP, accessing user Administrator Options
fayejlee
#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:31:41 AM

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Win-XP, accessing user Administrator

I thought out of curiosity it would be interesting to ask forum users whether or not they knew about how to access thier user account Administrator?

The only way I know of is by booting into safe-mode (pressing F8 @ startup just after the beep).

The main reason I bring this up is because from what I understand the Administrator account is not password-protected out-of-the-box. This seems risky to me to say the least!

Granted, though, because you're in "safe-mode" that that in-and-of-itself protects you from hackers getting into your computer may be protection enough, therefore there may be no need to set a password for Administrator, I don't know.

I just thought that as a safeguard users may want to set a password for thier Administrator account if for no other reason than for peace of mind.

Any thoughts/ideas, please elaborate.

--fayejlee
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imweezie
#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:35:53 PM

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That is a very very helpful tip Faye. I am not sure why you would feel it is a security problem. I finally gave up on xp professional because I found it impossible to deal with the lack of access to administrative mode. I wish I would have known your little secret a few months ago. I am so glad I went to 'home' because of that. My Administrative duties were nil as long as I had Professional because it wouldn't let me access it, lol. BTW, I appreciate all the wonderful coupon sites, etc you give us, keep up the good work!!BigGrin ThumbsUp

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jimmymac
#3 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:32:57 PM

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Please realize that I'm not terribly familiar with Microsoft's products. But I have on occasion used public computers that were running XP-Pro.

If there is an adminstrator account, you should be able to access it through the regular login screen (not requiring safe mode). You normally would be presented with this screen at boot up and when you log out. If you don't see this screen even when you logout, I am guessing it is because of an "autologin" configuration. Try an Internet search to find out how to change that. If you get to the login screen but still can't log in as adminstrator, try becoming adminstrator using the method you described and then change the password so that you know it. (Be sure to use a strong password: 8+ characters, upper and lower case letters plus numbers, no dictionary words, etc, etc.)

Unless the account is "locked" (using the term for it from the *nix world -- I don't know what the terminology in the MS world would be), you *definitely* want a password on the adminstrator account. A *strong* password. Even if you don't intend to log in to it.

Of course, as I understand it, on MS systems it is common for people to run with administrative privledge. Which is one of the sources of security problems on MS systems. (This is at least somewhat mitigated by something MS added to Vista -- I forget the term they used for it, but most people apparently find it obnoxious and some turn it off.)
imweezie
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:54:42 PM

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I assigned myself administrator but when it came to doing maintenance or adding new programs it would not let me do administrative duties which were those 2. No matter what I did It wouldn't let me log in as administrator, yikes I hated that and that was on both of my computers. I wish you could switch off but I never saw a place to do that. I was a relief to get the home version.

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imweezie
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:17:27 PM

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imweezie wrote:
I assigned myself administrator but when it came to doing maintenance or adding new programs it would not let me do administrative duties which were those 2. No matter what I did It wouldn't let me log in as administrator, yikes I hated that and that was on both of my computers. I wish you could switch off but I never saw a place to do that. I was a relief to get the home version.


Aw well crap! when typing the above I realized my cookie cleaner hadn't been coming on and sure enough I tried to refresh rescheduler and it gave me the same answer, no I cannot access that, only the administrator can. The problem is I am the administrator. I give up.

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fayejlee
#6 Posted : Friday, November 06, 2009 12:37:19 AM

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Thanks for replying, 'weezie, and thanks for the coupon kudos! Every little-bit helps. I just started checking into whether or not coupons on the net were worthwhile, so I'm still on that quest. I'll keep looking.

'Weezie, you mentioned in post#2 you weren't clear as to why I felt concerned about the security issues regarding the Administrator password issue; here is one reason why:

I'm guessing that a significant portion of people who have XP don't have it setup to use any user accounts other than the default Administrator account. So in-other-words when they boot up, they don't even have to click on any particular user in order to get to the desktop, XP just automatically opens up to the desktop which, again, is running under the default user Administrator. By default, there's no password set for Administrator. So my question is, wouldn't it be wise for users to set a password who are running their computers under the Administrator account like that, especially if they're surfing the net or on some network?

I used to think that it was wise to surf the net under XP by using a password-protected limited user account, but then I ran into the problem of not being able to get Microsoft's updates. So the best I could do was run under a newly-created password-protected user account with Administrator privileges.

Then, as was first posted, I recently discovered how to access the original Administrator account password. I discovered this by looking in an eleven-page green Microsoft booklet (page 6) tucked inside of my Gateway's reinstallation disks packet. The title of the chapter is: How can I make my computer more secure?

You mentioned XP-Pro, I've never had the pro version, but I've heard that you can get pretty particular with setting restrictions for individual users. That might be a good thing to be able to do that, but at a certain point I have to start asking myself how much tinkering is too much.

So ultimately I decided to jump ship for Linux and, ahhhh, the water's fine!

Again, thanks for replying 'weezie.

--fayejlee
p.s. Thanks for chiming in, j-mac! I'm like you , I think passwords are definitely a must, even if for peace of mind.
imweezie
#7 Posted : Friday, November 06, 2009 1:09:27 AM

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I read something about that in the MS write ups. About not using your puter as an administrator but as just a operator. If you are the only one though, you think ah gee, I have to be both an administrator and a regular person and so it is easier just to be both as administrator. You are right. I does diminish your security. So now I feel guilty so I will sign myself up as just a plain ole user, lol. Until I decide to go read as to why I can't do maintenance when I am the administrator, sheeesh. It's all so tough. I WANT WIN98SE BACK!!!Crying Crying Crying

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fayejlee
#8 Posted : Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:07:06 AM

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Hey 'weezie, in your post #5 you stated:
>Aw well crap! when typing the above I realized my cookie cleaner hadn't been coming on and sure enough I tried to refresh rescheduler and it gave me the same answer, no I cannot access that, only the administrator can. The problem is I am the administrator. I give up.

I thnk you may be confusing two different states of users here: state "1" is running under the actual user "Administrator" (safe-mode boot required), state "2" is a user created in normal-mode with "Administrator privilages" but not the actual Administrator. So do you see the difference? Tha might be your problem, but I'm not sure.

--fayejlee
imweezie
#9 Posted : Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:48:10 PM

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Thanks Faye, I realized after having the same experience with both home and professional that it was me so I assigned a new administrator plus just me with limited and that worked. So now I am both with 2 different accounts. I still don't like it at all and wish we could continue with win98, lol. Just don't like all the rigamarole. You know that win98 only took maybe a half a gig and that was with extra's like more screensavers etc and this XP takes close to 3 gigs once installed without all the nice extra's. Ridiculous.

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imweezie
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:42:22 AM

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fayejlee wrote:
Hey 'weezie, in your post #5 you stated:
>Aw well crap! when typing the above I realized my cookie cleaner hadn't been coming on and sure enough I tried to refresh rescheduler and it gave me the same answer, no I cannot access that, only the administrator can. The problem is I am the administrator. I give up.

I thnk you may be confusing two different states of users here: state "1" is running under the actual user "Administrator" (safe-mode boot required), state "2" is a user created in normal-mode with "Administrator privilages" but not the actual Administrator. So do you see the difference? Tha might be your problem, but I'm not sure.

--fayejlee

I am so confused!!Blink Blink

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fayejlee
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:04:35 PM

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Yea, I gotta admit, that was a pretty washed out excuse of an explanation. Let me try this again:

I'm betting that when you installed your cookie cleaner software that you were running under the actual Administrator account. In other words, you didn't have any other users setup on your computer, so XP just opened right up to the desktop without asking you to select a user. That's the default Administrator account.

You have since setup other users and are probably logging in with one of them, and even though it may be true that these added users were setup as having Administrator privilages, the cookie cleaner software may be complaining because you are not that same user, namely the almighty Administrator, who installed this software in the first place.

Are ya' with me so far? Can I get an amen from the choir? wink
fayejlee
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:45:19 PM

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'weezie,
You mentioned in an earlier post that you went back to XP-home. Do you remember if during setup, XP-home required you to setup an initial account named "Owner".

I ask this because it's been years since I've installed XP, but it does sort of seem like I recall there being the requirement to setup that user (Owner), let me know if you remember that.

So in other words, maybe XP does not even allow the true Administrator account to run in normal mode at all, period.

There's an interesting snippet I found by searching for "types of user accounts" under XP's Help and Support Center (F1).
It reads:
*****
Note

You might see an account with the name "Owner" when you first log on. The owner account, with computer administrator privileges, is created during installation if no user accounts are set up at that time. You can rename this account with a user's name.
*****

So, possibly the default account in normal-mode is Owner.

The bottom line may be this: If your cookie cleaner software is insisting on being managed while under the administrator account, you may have to boot into safe-mode. That seems strange, though, and probably not worth the bother.

And maybe it's just true that I'm more confused than you! Can I get another amen from the choir?

--fayejlee

note: I don't know about Vista, but the new Windows 7 has apparently done away with this safe-mode Administrator ordeal.
imweezie
#13 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2009 1:20:01 PM

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I am still terribly confused, but thanks for your help, maybe you will understand what I am about to post, I sure don't.
In the beginning....

When I first setup professional and home I thought it did ask for an administrator but....I set up the disk cleaner AKA cookie cleaner to me and when I noticed it didn't run I requested it to run and it said "so solly" you are not an administrator soooo I set up an administrator account, me, and went about my business using it only for administrator duties and went back to my other account where I had downloaded all my programs to before setting up the administrator account. Do you follow me so far? I then noticed that my updates weren't updating or the virus programs weren't virusing under the non administrative me. I thought it was the program so I downloaded it again and of course it wouldn't work cuz I downloaded it under the me account, so I then downloaded it under the administrative account and ran it there. To make a long story short, if I can, what is downloaded under admin does not work under my me account and vise versa. No virus control under the me desktop or updates, only under the admin setup. The problem is I don't want to use the admin account because it is less secure but if I use the "me" account well then I am not updated and crawling with bugs. It shouldn't be this way, the admin programs should cover all other names on the puter, right??? Not to mention all the space it is taking having the same programs on the puter twice. Arghhhhhhhhhhhh!!

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