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jfloyd
#1 Posted : Monday, November 02, 2009 9:20:57 PM

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Okay, Copper friends and foes...

You have listened to me rant about my bad brother dirty laundry for years. No matter who said what, I did find the venting helpful, and you were all more than patient and often very understanding and helpful.

This evening about 6:00, bad brother died of a massive heart attack.

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#2 Posted : Monday, November 02, 2009 9:44:31 PM

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Condolences.
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cenb
#3 Posted : Monday, November 02, 2009 9:54:26 PM

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Julie -

I am so very sorry to read of your brother's sudden death and completely understand "not sure what to feel". I hope you find peace.
twilitestar
#4 Posted : Monday, November 02, 2009 10:40:03 PM

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Oh Julie!
I am so sorry.
Please let us know if their are any specific prayer requests.
I know all the preparations for funerals can be a lot of pressure on the family. I will pray for you all.
"He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds."
Psalm 147:3 KJV
Your Hoosier friend,
Twilitestar
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call Me good?
No one is good except God alone.'" Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19 NASB
mlawson
#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:25:52 AM

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Understand your mixed feelings about your brother, but the ones to be thinking of is his widow left with several young children to rear without a dad, all of the problems emotional, time, financial. I hope he had some kind of insurance.

My suggestion, no matter what your strained relationship has been with your sister-in-law, if she lives near by, offer to watch your niece & nephew whenever you can. You can build a stronger relationship with them and be of great assistance to your overburdened sister in law.
gemini
#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:06:10 AM

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Julie,
So sorry for you and your family's pain.
You are in my prayers.
Take care.
~Gem
Be concerned about your future.
You'll spend the rest of your life there.


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ninagay
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:39:32 AM

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Julie, I am sorry for this death in your family, I had to deal with similar years ago.
It's not good, and sometimes even the best & well meaning cause upset.

In the coming days and weeks; no doubt, you and other family member will feel every emotion possible.
It is important for you and them to know that all emotions you feel are normal. I said NORMAL, yes I did.
Whether on good terms or bad, doesn't really matter. The feelings will come, and those left behind should allow themselves to have their feelings and deal with them.

Professional counseling would be best, but not always possible. Especially young children can be helped with some guidance on how to deal with their feelings and fears, and adjustment to life without Dad.

If any is available, or within means, I would advise you to offer or provide it.
That based on my own experience and losses.

In my thoughts,
~Ninagay

charles1601
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:12:17 PM

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I am very sad for you. Will be thinking of you and praying for you and your family

Linda
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:15:51 PM

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Hugs Juls. Forgive him and yourself. Cherish the living ones you have.
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jfloyd
#10 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:46:26 AM

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Thanks, everybody. I appreciate your messages.

I'm getting ready to take Spenser to the kitty sitter and hit the road for Evansville.

Thanks.
twilitestar
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:22:45 AM

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I will be praying for your safe travel and for strength for the days you are gone.
"But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep,
so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus."
~1 Thessalonians 4:13-14
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call Me good?
No one is good except God alone.'" Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19 NASB
jfloyd
#12 Posted : Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:07:07 AM

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Thanks again.

Today I went to the funeral and saw the brother I've always known dead.\

Almost nobody gets it that I'm kind of cool NOT because of what he did to me financially but that it goes way back from that. I was always willing to like him, and he never liked me.

Today his son, a young 27, wept but talked of the dad he loved, even beyond the bad times.

Today, Jason kind of reached out to me. He looks a lot like Bob, and he seems to have Bob's talents emerging but without the ruthlessnes. Jason reached out to me today and asked if he could call me to talk. It's kind as if Bob's kid might fill a gap that Bob and I could not.
ninagay
#13 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2009 12:37:33 PM

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Julie, your nephew has opened a door to you...I hope you are able to follow through, and that it will make a positive difference.

jfloyd
#14 Posted : Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03:07 PM

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I was very impressed with Jason. He did seem to be trying to open doors and bridge gaps. He seemed to want me to know stuff he'd heard from my brother that meant Bob cared about me. Bob did somewhat, but Jason seemed to want to emphasize it. When he asked me for my phone numbers and put them in his cell and asked if he could call me just to talk, I was elated. I assured him that I would love that. I don't know if he will follow through, but yes, he opened a lane, and I'm all for it. I think I might be able to help him, too. Bob was on one hand handsome and charming and able to win over anyone he wanted to win over. Then, when it came to family, some of us, and to an extent his own kids and definitely his wife, he could be very surly and abrasive. even verbally abusive to a HIGH degree.

His daughter is a bit too high minded as he was. She's not abrasive, but she's young, pretty, and on his sixties and seventies high bound to looks.

Jason is more down to earth. Even Bob often told me that Jason is just like his mom's dad, hard working, frugal, honest. Maybe Jason, on his maturity, and on his bad times with Bob, understands quite a bit.

I HOPE he calls. I don't know why I didn't ask for his number. But I would rather he called.

It could be helpful for both of us, I think.
twilitestar
#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:22:31 AM

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Julie,
I am so glad that there was a positive memory from your visit to Indiana. I hope you and Jason will be able to develop a good relationship that will be healing to you both.
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call Me good?
No one is good except God alone.'" Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19 NASB
jfloyd
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:34:21 PM

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twilitestar wrote:
Julie,
I am so glad that there was a positive memory from your visit to Indiana. I hope you and Jason will be able to develop a good relationship that will be healing to you both.


Thanks. I don't know if Jason will call. I hope he will.

My brother was a complex person. From the time we were little kids, he had a mean streak. My brother and brother in law say he never got over sibling jealousy because I was younger, but I don't know. He never liked me much. But although he was very worldly and intent on being rich, and he had talent to become rich, he also had a sense of spirituality I never had. As a kid, he loved playing church. At the community swimming pool, he liked to play baptism. I was the one baptized. He had the standard words down to a tee, but then he would hold me under water until I struggled. The day before he died, he preached a sermon in a little church. He was serving as lay pastor as my dad did in the same church in the late sixties and early seventies. I think he meant what he preached, but on the other hand, he was NOTHING like my dad. He was a banker by trade, and though I don't KNOW, not necessarily an honest banker but just an aggressive and smooth one. In '05 when I moved to Georgia, he moved to Louisiana (right before Katrina) and took over a failing bank. He turned it around from losing money to making a lot of money, but when he went to lunch and got drunk, the bank wouldn't tolerate even a money maker.

He went back home to Indiana, had nothing to go on, and died.

I am sure nobody cares and I am just venting, but the guy kind of haunts me. He could be very spiritual, but he could be nuts and nastily aggressive, too. My older brother and sister just mourn him, but they didn't grow up with him. I did. I know all his nasty secrets. They don't.

Okay...blow aside.

I DO very much appreciate all the kind posts here. I truly do, more than you know.

Bob was a jerk, and he caused me no end to trouble, but I did love him.
twilitestar
#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:35:24 PM

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Maybe you could call Jason, if he does not call you in a while. It sounded like you have a lot to offer him.
I know about secrets from siblings, and I try to forget the things I should not know. It always helps when you see that people have asked forgiveness and turned from their sins.

So the baptism thing was more than spiritual I take it?
That reminds me of when my mother was a teen and some visiting farmer boys threw her into a horse water tank. She nearly drowned. Thus, she made certain that us 3 kids learned how to swim at an early age, and the trend continues with my daughter teaching her children to swim. She is pictured in this icon with my youngest grandson who is now 14 months old.
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call Me good?
No one is good except God alone.'" Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19 NASB
jfloyd
#18 Posted : Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:29:18 PM

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twilitestar wrote:
Maybe you could call Jason, if he does not call you in a while. It sounded like you have a lot to offer him.
I know about secrets from siblings, and I try to forget the things I should not know. It always helps when you see that people have asked forgiveness and turned from their sins.

So the baptism thing was more than spiritual I take it?
That reminds me of when my mother was a teen and some visiting farmer boys threw her into a horse water tank. She nearly drowned. Thus, she made certain that us 3 kids learned how to swim at an early age, and the trend continues with my daughter teaching her children to swim. She is pictured in this icon with my youngest grandson who is now 14 months old.


Jason hasn't called. I don't know if he will. I can't find his phone number. Apparently, he used my brother's cell when he called me last week. He recently bought a house, and he's not listed in White Pages online.

The baptism was one of thousands of ways Bob worked at making me nuts. I could swim...taught myself when I was five...but being held under is another thing! Sibling rivalry, I guess, but he certainly was a pain to live with my whole life. He picked on me for fourteen years, and then when he went to college, he got all over me for not being sad to see him go.

Once, a good twenty years ago, the family was at his house when he was still really prosperous. We had a family Trivial Pursuit game, and they could get heated. Men against women. The arguing was going on, but it hadn't crossed the line to ugly. I made some kind of comment, and Bob went off. He hollered "You shut the F@@K up," and that was it. I got my coat and left. It hit me that I was no longer trapped in the house with him and I didn't have to put up with him at all. I think I avoided him for well over a year, maybe two years.

He pulled me back in. He'd been going to AA, and he gave me the "bury the hatchet" speech with the "make amends" thing. He took me to lunch at the country club...and had a couple of drinks.

I think something in him knew he didn't ever treat me right, but something a little stronger couldn't let him stop. He didn't like me.

And I seriously never did anything bad to him. I was eternally hopeful he could get over whatever it was. Considering he bankrupted and humiliated me, cost me $15,000 in savings I had to hand over to the court, I think still talking to him was pretty generous of me, but he never really got it.







jfloyd
#19 Posted : Friday, November 13, 2009 11:19:07 PM

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Tonight my nephew called. He's becoming the Bob I always wanted to know.

We talked and talked over all kinds of issues. He's Bob in intellect with the sweet goodness of my sister in law. I am impressed beyond measure.

It turns out that his child, to be born in March, is a boy and will be named Robert.

The good Bob could never quite sustain is in his offspring.

Jason ended our talk with an INSISTENCE that I go see them and their home and their baby.

I am overwhelmed. There's a father and the son sort or religious thing going on here.
jfloyd
#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:35:56 PM

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Tonight some goofy former student sent me a paper she wrote and wanted me to make it literate. I like fixing bad language, so I probably overfixed. But it needs to be right.

She said it was personal, not for a class. Whatever.

I had to save it to send it back, so I had to go to my files.

I found a "Good Bob" file there, a nice email from him I saved.

He said he loved our conversation. I don't remember it.

But I saved the email.

Today, I went to my credit union to get a loan. I told the guy my whole sordid history because of Bob. He ran my credit score, not too bad. He told me my bankruptcy does NOT show. He said shut up. Bob MUST have done something.

A bankruptcy is not on my credit score.

Some foreclosures are, but not bankruptcy.

The bank will lend me fix my bathroom money in any number of ways.

I need, really, to talk to Bob.

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