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dajcat
#241 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2018 1:41:10 PM

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THE CORE TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLES RULES OUT PURGATORY AND INDULGENCES BUT THE RC ORGANIZATION IGNORED THE WRITINGS AND COMMANDMENTS OF THE APOSTLES (BIND AND LOOSE) AND ADDED THEM ANWAY.



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cheriq
#242 Posted : Friday, August 10, 2018 6:03:45 PM

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dajcat wrote:
THE CORE TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLES RULES OUT PURGATORY AND INDULGENCES BUT THE RC ORGANIZATION IGNORED THE WRITINGS AND COMMANDMENTS OF THE APOSTLES (BIND AND LOOSE) AND ADDED THEM ANWAY.



watchman David



HUH? Purgatory has nothing to do with this topic. Why so obsessed? A belief for or against won't change what is (which no on knows). It's a big SO WHAT - WHO CARES?
Can we just admit we may have taken this 'anyone can grow up to be President' thing just a bit too far?

Remember back when Sarah Palin was the craziest person in politics? GOOD TIMES.

In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion...nice try though.

I'm going to quit asking, "How dumb can you get?" People seem to be taking it as a challenge.

KEEP TALKING. I'm diagnosing you.







cfirebird65
#243 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2018 2:55:47 AM

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dajcat wrote:
THE CORE TEACHINGS OF THE APOSTLES RULES OUT PURGATORY

Rubbish! Fifth grade education! No supporting data from ancient writings! Individual authority and false accusations are the devil's works. Repetitive anti-Catholic falsehoods show demonic possession!

CATHOLIC DEFENSE OF PURGATORY

THE ROOTS OF PURGATORY

25 DESCRIPTIVE AND CLEAR BIBLE PASSAGES ABOUT PURGATORY

PURGATORY IS IN THE BIBLE!

DAJBAAL IS A SERIAL LIAR LIKE TRUMP AND THE FORUM'S PREMIER ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOT!



Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



dajcat
#244 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:54:16 PM

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Don Stewart :: Is There Any Biblical Support for Purgatory?

Purgatory is a belief that contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture with respect to the person and work of Christ. This, however, has not stopped people from attempting to find some biblical support for this non-biblical doctrine. The following passages are offered for the support of purgatory.

1. Isaiah 4:4

When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning.

It is argued that burning, in this context, refers to the fires of judgment - a hint of the doctrine of purgatory.

2. Matthew 5:25,26

Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer and you are thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there until you have paid the last penny.

Some Roman Catholics teach that prison is purgatory, and the last penny is the complete payment for the purgation of sins.

3. Matthew 12:32

Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

It is claimed that this verse has at least an indirect reference to purgatory. It is claimed that Jesus left open the possibility of forgiveness in the next world.

4. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15

According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building on it. Each builder must choose with care how to build on it. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one that has been laid; that foundation is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw - the work of each builder will become visible, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each has done. If what has been built on the foundation survives, the builder will receive a reward. If the work is burned up, the builder will suffer loss; the builder will be saved, but only as through fire.

This passage speaks of the believer being refined by fire. To some, it is a clear indication of a refining place, purgatory.

5. 2 Maccabees 12:41,42, 45

Therefore they praised the work of the Lord, the just judge, who reveals what is hidden; and turning to prayer, they asked that this sin might be entirely blotted out. The noble Judas called on people to keep themselves free from sin. . . But since he had in view the wonderful reward reserved for those who die a godly death, his purpose was a holy and pious one. And this was why he offered an atoning sacrifice to free the dead from their sin (2 Maccabees 12:41,42,45, New English Bible).

This is the clearest statement as to some type of sacrifice that can be offered for the dead. Those who have died, and are in purgatory, can be helped by the sacrifices and prayers of the living.

6. Hebrews 9:27

And just as it is appointed for mortals to die once, and after that the judgment.

Those who believe in purgatory understand these two events as happening immediately after one another. The person dies and then there is a judgment to determine their destination. The wicked are sent away to hell while the righteous go to either heaven, if they are in a perfected state, or purgatory, if further purification is needed.

From passages such as these, the Roman Catholic church believes it can find some biblical support for their doctrine of purgatory.

Response

The verses used to support purgatory do not give credence to this belief.

1. Isaiah 4:4

Isaiah's reference has nothing to do with purgatory. It speaks of God refining people in this life, not the next.

2. Matthew 5:25-26

Paying the last penny has nothing to do with paying for sin in the next life. In Roman law, the plaintiff could bring the accused along with him to the judge; the defendant could however, settle the matter on any terms with the plaintiff as they proceeded to the tribunal. However once they reached the tribunal the issue would be settled according to law. Jesus is encouraging people to settle their differences before it reaches the judge.

3. Matthew 12:32

The phrase "this world and the next" was a Jewish phrase meaning "never." In the other gospels which give this same account, the phrase is omitted. This is because Mark and Luke are writing for Gentiles. In addition they both state that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will "never be forgiven." Mark says.

But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin (Mark 3:29).

The account in Luke reads.

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven (Luke 12:10).

Nowhere does it state, or imply, that forgiveness can be achieved in the next world. Never means never!

4. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15

"He shall be saved through fire" does not mean he shall be kept alive in the midst of hell-fire. The fire deals with the works of a person, not their character. In addition, this testing by fire occurs on judgment day, not in the intermediate state.

5. 2 Maccabees 12:41, 2, 45

The teaching of a purgatory found in 2 Maccabees has no relevance at all for believers. 2 Maccabees is not included in the text of sacred Scripture, hence anything it teaches is not to be regarded as authoritative.

Does Not Teach

Furthermore, this passage does not teach the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory. These soldiers committed what the Roman Catholic church considers a mortal sin -idolatry. The suffering in purgatory can only forgive venial sins. Mortal sins cannot be forgiven.

6. Hebrews 9:27

There is absolutely nothing in verse that mentions, or hints of, a purgatory. Furthermore, it does not specifically say that the judgment comes immediately after death. The Scriptures teach the contrary. Judgment only comes after Christ returns and resurrects the dead. This is still future. Hence this verse offers no support whatsoever for purgatory.

Conclusion On Purgatory
We conclude that there is no biblical support whatever for the idea of any believer going through suffering after their death. The passages that attempt to teach this doctrine do no such thing. On the contrary, they contradict any idea that people can pay off sins in the next life before entering heaven.
dajcat
#245 Posted : Saturday, August 11, 2018 2:02:42 PM

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I'm surprised the RC org. does not use the three hebrews cast into the furnace as proof.



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cfirebird65
#246 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2018 3:35:42 AM

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dajcat wrote:
I'm surprised the RC org. does not use the three hebrews cast into the furnace as proof.

I'm surprised you assume you can alter the teachings of Jesus' Church which He called the pillar and ground of truth.
Liar Shame on you Brick wall
You stupidly persist with fanatic hate-mongering, denying Catholic teachings as if you have the intelligence and credentials to change what the Council of Bishops decreed is binding on all the faithful.

Banish the hypocrisy and pretension that your word is God's Word. You have an unstable mind and ill-informed judgments. You are ignorant about ancient Christian history and biblical languages and obsessed with attacking the Church where none have succeeded in destroying it.

YOUR BIBLE ALONE BELIEF IS FALSE AND YOU CONTINUE TO FOLLOW FALSE PROPHETS - LUTHER AND CALVIN - INSTEAD OF JESUS IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT. THEY WRECKED CHRISTIANITY AND YOU ARE ADDING TO THE WRECKAGE WITH YOUR NUTTY OPINIONS DECLARED WITH AN AIR OF AUTHORITY. YOUR KJV IS MISSING SEVEN BOOKS WHICH CONTAIN OUR CATHOLIC DOCTRINES INCLUDING PURGATORY.

CATHOLIC DEFENSE OF PURGATORY

THE ROOTS OF PURGATORY

25 DESCRIPTIVE AND CLEAR BIBLE PASSAGES ABOUT PURGATORY

PURGATORY IS IN THE BIBLE!

Your Protestant internet yahoos don't have God's authority to arbitrarily denounce Catholic doctrines with their vapid opinions and fake sola scriptura interpretations. You are entitled to your foolishness, and I am entitled to expose your errors and disobedience of God's laws.

YOU FAILED TO PROVE ANYTHING AGAINST 2000 YEARS OF CATHOLIC TEACHINGS WITH YOUR QUACKERY, INTERNET BIMBOS, FAKE BIBLE ONLY THEORIES AND DELIBERATE, HABITUAL SINS OF FALSE WITNESS AGAINST GOD AND NEIGHBOR. YOU USE THE FORUM TO UTTER RUBBISH AND BELIEVE YOU ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HEAVEN. ONLY JERKS DO THAT!



Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



dajcat
#247 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2018 5:04:33 PM

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The Catholic church says purgatory exists. How do we respond to this?
The Catholic church says purgatory exists and give examples from scripture to support this (eg 1 Corinthians 3:11-15). How do you respond to this? (I am an active Anglican and have been researching various pieces on Catholicism because of WYD).- Craig
Thanks Craig,

If you’ve been looking into Catholicism you’re probably aware that the key difference is understanding grace, justification (declaring guiltless) and sanctification (made holy). Protestants understand the Scriptures as saying that grace is an undeserved gift of God that has saved us (Ephesians 2:1-10) from being dead in our sins. The “dead” part is important. We were dead in our sins, rather than merely sick. Moreover we have now been completely justified and sanctified before God despite being formerly dead in sins.

NIV 1 Corinthians 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

The result of this is that we are already pure and perfect in God’s eyes not (obviously!) because of ourselves but because of the great gift of Jesus’ substitutionary death. He took our sins leaving us spotless (Colossians 1:21-23).

The Catholic view is different to this. Catholic teaching declares that grace is a substance that the church distributes in the sacraments. By co-operating with this “gift” you gradually increase in sanctification and justification. Humanly this teaching is understandable. We do not look very sanctified here and so it seems logical to argue that sanctification is a process within which we co-operate with God until we achieve complete sanctification. On this basis, purgatory is understood as the final step to sanctification, a time of cleansing suffering.

Of course - such a view must diminish the view of Jesus’ atoning death and his ability to cleanse us with his blood (1 Peter 1:18-19). That is why we reject purgatory, because it declares Jesus’ death insufficient.

With respect to 1 Corinthians 3, the important message from that section is that Jesus is the foundation (11). Hence our salvation, our good works all are built upon him and his atoning death. What we build will be tested on the last day “by fire” to see its worth. Our reward is to see our work (by this I take it to be people) last into eternity (what a reward) or our punishment is to see a wasted life. Yet our salvation is neither threatened nor enhanced by this suffering through fire. So human philosophy and ingenuity (such as purgatory) will be “burnt up” and disclosed to be empty on that final day. Being saved “as through fire” itself declares the builder is saved, perhaps “by the skin of his teeth” might be a more comtemporary idea. Nevertheless there is no punishment to be endured for those whose hope is in Christ.

I hope this helps.

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dajcat
#248 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2018 11:31:09 PM

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Purgatory is a PAGAN practice dating back to before Christ.

Augustine adopted it for his own belief but admitted in his writings that it was debatable,so did Origen JEROME ADMITTED THAT
MACABEES IS NOT PART OF SCRIPTURE

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dajcat
#249 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2018 11:51:28 PM

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the more I Search THE SCRIPTURES the more I find the error in RC teachings making them ANATHEMA The following a direct
change to Jesus command.


In the case of a divorce, the right of the innocent party to marry again was denied so long as the other party was alive, even if the other party had committed adultery.

JESUS SAID ONLY FOR ADULTERY'



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ixoye_8
#250 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2018 9:27:10 AM

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dajcat wrote:
the more I Search THE SCRIPTURES the more I find the error in RC teachings making them ANATHEMA The following a direct
change to Jesus command.

In the case of a divorce, the right of the innocent party to marry again was denied so long as the other party was alive, even if the other party had committed adultery.

JESUS SAID ONLY FOR ADULTERY'


JESUS SAID GOD ALLOWED MOSES TO GRANT A DIVORCE FOR ADULTERY UNDER MOSAIC LAW ..
WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER MOSAIC LAW ..
MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE SHOULD NEVER BE TAKEN LIGHTLY .. NOR DOES THE CHURCH TAKE THEM LIGHTLY ..
IN MOST CASES SOMEONE IS BEING SELFISH .. BEHAVIOR SHOULD BE MODIFIED .. NOT THE RELATION ..

the more I Search THE SCRIPTURES the more I find the error in your teachings, making them ANATHEMA ..
dajcat
#251 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2018 12:43:12 PM

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PURE TRASH MR. JESUS GAVE SPECIFIC REASON FOR DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE (FOR ADULTERY ONLY) ALLOWING THE INNOCENT PARTY TO REMARRY.
EVEN USURPING ITS OWN DOCTRINES THE RC ORG. CREATED LOOPHOLE FOR REMARRIAGE BY EITHER PARTY. TED KENNEDY BEING A CASE IN POINT. HE CLAIMED HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE VOWS HE HAD MADE WITH HIS FIRST MARRIAGE SO THEY GRANTED HIM A BILL OF ANNULMENT ALLOWING HIM TO REMARRY.


watchman David



THAT IS A DIRECT OVERRIDING OF THE WORD OF GOD AND A CAUSE FOR ANATHEMA
mjfrog2010
#252 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2018 2:32:53 AM

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HMMM, NO MENTION OF THE CATHOLIC CHILD MOLESTORS,,,,WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST NEWS STORY OF THE DAY!?! SURPRISED?? NOPE,,,,THEY ARE GOING TO PRETEND THAT THE OVER THREE HUNDRED GUILTY PRIESTS DONT EXIST?? OVER ONE THOUSAND BOY CATHOLICS SAY THAT IT DOES EXIST AND IS COMMON. DID YOUR 'FAKE' POPE COME OUT IN AN OUTRAGE?? NO,,NO,,,HE DID NOT,,,JUST SAYS 'THE CHURCH WILL HANDLE IT!? HAVENT THEY BEEN HANDLING IT FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES AND ITS ONLY WORSE AND NOT BETTER!?!
ixoye_8
#253 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2018 6:33:10 PM

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THE BIGGEST NEWS IS JESUS DIED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE GOD AND OTHERS ..
HOW COME YOU NEVER SHARE THE GOOD NEWS FROG ???
dajcat
#254 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 12:01:21 AM

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WRONG MR. JESUS DIED FOR THOSE WHO KNEW NOT GOD. WHILE WE WERE YET IN OUR SINS. 3000 AT PENTECOST WERE SAVED BY THE PREACHING OF PETER.



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ixoye_8
#255 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:41:40 AM

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dajcat wrote:
WRONG MR. JESUS DIED FOR THOSE WHO KNEW NOT GOD. WHILE WE WERE YET IN OUR SINS. 3000 AT PENTECOST WERE SAVED BY THE PREACHING OF PETER.


WRONG .. JESUS DIED FOR ALL SINS .. NOT ALL WILL USE THAT FORGIVENESS AND CONTINUE SERVING SELF ..
dajcat
#256 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:30:35 PM

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you just got finished posTing HE ONLY DIED FOR THOSE WHO KNOW GOD,. THAT RULES OUT THOSE WHO DON'T WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.



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ixoye_8
#257 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:21:17 PM

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dajcat wrote:
you just got finished posTing HE ONLY DIED FOR THOSE WHO KNOW GOD,. THAT RULES OUT THOSE WHO DON'T WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.


WRONG .. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE TO DYING SO ALL SINS CAN BE FORGIVEN ..
AND
HE DIED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE GOD AND OTHERS AND REPENT OF SIN AND OBEY GOD ..
some take advantage of expounding sin .. some do not ..
cfirebird65
#258 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2018 3:15:27 AM

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mjfrog2010 wrote:
HMMM, NO MENTION OF THE CATHOLIC CHILD MOLESTORS,,,,WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST NEWS STORY OF THE DAY!?! SURPRISED?? NOPE,,,,THEY ARE GOING TO PRETEND THAT THE OVER THREE HUNDRED GUILTY PRIESTS DONT EXIST?? !

Hmmm! You hopped over here from the Political Corner after gemini said this story should be moved to the Religious section. I wonder why, when rocky peddles ample anti-Catholic topics and yet she never complains about them, nor about the John Jay report of some years back, that showed Protestant sex abuse outnumbers that of the Catholic Church.
Shame on you Brick wall
How disgusting of you to claim that Catholics are going to pretend that 300 guilty priests don't exist! They do exist and the horror of what they did has incurred God's wrath and has deeply hurt and angered faithful Catholics. Jesus said, "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea...... Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come!" (Mt 18:6-7)

Instead of filling your little mind up with anti-Catholic false witness - a grave sin that merits hell - pray for those who have been abused and those whose trust has been broken. God also hates liars and deceivers and won't allow them in Heaven. You and dajbaal are serial liars, yet you both point fingers at Catholics and anyone who doesn't buy your fundamentalist dreck.

The Holy Spirit will never allow sin to destroy Jesus' Church despite the shameful example of its greatest sinners. That is why Peter's boat still sails on after 2,000 years through churning waters. His boat does not float because of merely human strength, ingenuity, or even holiness. The Church doesn't survive from era to era because of the brilliance or the sanctity of its leaders, though thank God when we are granted geniuses or Saints at the helm. The Church has not endured 2,000 years of hard usage, of civilizations collapsing about her, of scandal in the clergy, of sin and perfidy among her members, all because of the natural gifts of human beings. The Church is not the Bride of Christ because we are worthy on our own merits. All that is good in us comes from God; all that is misery comes from man.

Consider how the Holy Spirit abandoned Protestantism when Luther decided to set up his own church which splintered from the get-go and today numbers over 49,000 squabbling churches. They are rife with abortion, pedophilia, sex scandals, adulterous pastors and lesbian clergy. How come there is no one to reform your churches and why is that the media doesn't care? A Protestant can say child sex abuse “didn't happen in my church; it wasn’t done by my tribe” to most articles about Protestant clergy sexual abuse. So the articles aren’t so controversial, and do not sell as well, and so are not written about nearly as much.

Here are some links to study if you can stomach the facts, keeping in mind that sexual immorality is pervasive in every strata of society.

Sometimes chastisement is a mercy.

Several prominent evangelical institutions have been rocked in recent years by their own sexual misconduct allegations against pastors and church leaders

Anglican Church 'deeply ashamed' about 1,000 complaints of child sex abuse

Boys at the Salvation Army were 'rented out' to a 'network of pedophiles' who sexually abused them.

The same deadly silence of child sex abuse permeates inside many Protestant institutions.

It's not just priests who sexually abuse children; families should be alert to anyone watching kids



Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



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