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Which part of NO are you having trouble with?
I’m so tired of the poor pitiful sob stories and I’m sick of seeing the Democrats parade poor little puppet people out in front the cameras for another pity party! I get tired of hearing – idiots like Dick Durbin claiming that 70 Americans will die today because they don’t have healthcare or something 30 million are uninsured or 50 million are uninsured or was it 37 million are uninsured – pick a damn number and toss me a tissue boo-freaking-hoo! You’re lying Durbin and you’re democrat buddies are lying too. Show me some fact, some data, some evidence show me something other than your finger puppet version of reality.
Here is the REAL DEAL – If congress was to pass healthcare today, right now, right this damn minute – guess what? Roughly the same stinking number of people will die tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day that died today – you can’t stop death and to top that off, this lame ass healthcare plan doesn’t go into effect for 4 years and the Progressive Democrats act like they care so much – give me a freaking break!
I want someone to ask one of these a-holes in the Democrat party – if you care so much about the lowly plebes that you want to parade people around that you claim have been a victim of the system and have no health coverage then tell me why is it that it doesn’t go into effect for four years? Tell me if you Democrats care SO MUCH about the American peoples health and well being then why wait? What’s the delay? What’s the hold up? Why is that the taxes to pay for healthcare start the minute bill is signed, but the services to save the poor pathetic lives of the downtrodden and forgotten and those without coverage – that coverage doesn’t go into effect until late 2014? What’s up with that you all caring Dems?
That is the questions I want asked when these a-holes that parade some insurance sad sack victim out on stage – if you Democrats care so much then tell me 1.) Why don’t you do something to help them? You rich help them out – share your wealth! and 2.) If this is so important it has to be done right now – why wait 4 year to put it into effect?
And one last thing – just so you know - the Democrat congressional leaders agreed to fold Obama’s student-loan proposal into a bill aimed at winning final approval of his drive to overhaul U.S. healthcare. Now what the hell student loans have to do with healthcare is beyond me – meanwhile the quarter trillion dollar Doc Fix is left out of the healthcare bill to keep the CBO’s numbers down to fudge the numbers once again.
So why is there a student loan reader in the healthcare bill — I know you are wondering – it’s an entitlement for “underrepresented minorities” going to medical school now what’s a “underrepresented minorities” well I can tell you it’s not Asians and it’s not Jews so you do the math on that. Frankly, I thought being “underrepresented” is what made you a minority in the first damn place
Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. "Obama’s incompetence and inexperience is causing liberals to see him as arrogant, aloof, removed, conceited, suspicious of outside advice, and even lazy." "UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS" = UNDOCUMENTED DEMOCRATS Our federal government should be doing its job to secure our borders rather than trying to bully and intimidate the people of Arizona
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Good post Hart, I be waiting to hear from our Lib. buddies (sic) and our distinguish Professor of nothing on Monday YoYo the Yuk Yuk !!!
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OMG!!! "under-represented"! sh-eeeoo-t! that makes us independents and repubs/conservative flippin minorities!!! where's my stuff dimocrats? i want my shtuff NOW!!! 
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Hart The liberals our hiding under the desk on this.. Its to Factual.. YoYo the Yuk Yuk !!!
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he did? man, i thought he "cured" the sick lame etc. nah, on second thought, i won't go into refuting your view of "christianity" or Christ. you just tweak things and refuse to accept truth
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Maybe not you're not a Christian, but many of your ilk have the audacity to make the claim that they are Christians, but apparently don't practice it. Republicans are Really Free Loader Advocates of Something for Nothing When It Comes to Cutting Taxes
....The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it.--P.J. O'ROURKE, Holidays in Hell
Remember.......Just going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car..
gop creed: Love the fetus hate the child
If the gop were a car it would only have one gear: Reverse
"Unless your business model depends on bilking people, there is little to fear from these new rules." President Obama 2010
Funny how the conservative reverence for the country's founding fathers so often stops just short of defending the principles these men stood for.
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hartman79 wrote:2.) If this is so important it has to be done right now – why wait 4 year to put it into effect? 10 year CBO estimate is actually for 6years of service. Quote:And one last thing – just so you know - the Democrat congressional leaders agreed to fold Obama’s student-loan proposal into a bill aimed at winning final approval of his drive to overhaul U.S. healthcare. Now what the hell student loans have to do with healthcare is beyond me – meanwhile the quarter trillion dollar Doc Fix is left out of the healthcare bill to keep the CBO’s numbers down to fudge the numbers once again.
So why is there a student loan reader in the healthcare bill — I know you are wondering – it’s an entitlement for “underrepresented minorities” going to medical school now what’s a “underrepresented minorities” well I can tell you it’s not Asians and it’s not Jews so you do the math on that. Frankly, I thought being “underrepresented” is what made you a minority in the first damn place
Quotas, plain and simple. Quote:Within the last three months, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has twice sent letters to the president and the leaders of the House and Senate warning them of discriminatory provisions in both bills. But those warnings have been ignored, and the problems remain. Take Reid's bill. It directs the secretary of health and human services to award federal grants worth billions of dollars to educational institutions that train medical-service providers. However, "priority" for federal dollars is to be given only to those institutions offering "preferential" admissions to underrepresented minorities (according to race, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, and religion, depending on which section of the bill you look at). Thus, schools will be unable to compete for essential federal funding unless they adopt admission policies that intentionally and deliberately discriminate. It guarantees the institution of racist and sexist quotas sanctioned and encouraged by the federal government in what Linda Chavez of the Center for Equal Opportunity correctly calls "a new racial spoils system." The bill also declares that institutions training social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists, behavioral pediatricians, psychiatric nurses, and counselors will be ineligible for federal grants unless they discriminate. According to Section 756, these programs must enroll "individuals and groups from different racial, ethnic, cultural, geographic, religious, linguistic, and class backgrounds, and different genders and sexual orientations" and demonstrate "knowledge and understanding of the concerns of the[se] individuals and groups." If the schools fail to abide by these requirements, they will be liable for "liquidated damages." The Senate bill even creates a federally funded and administered medical school called the United States Public Health Services Track to "grant appropriate advanced degrees." Priority in admissions is to be given to "students from rural communities and underrepresented minorities." ("Underrepresented minorities" is liberal code for "Asians need not apply. Naturally, other sections of the bill require lots of data collection regarding race, ethnicity, sex, and so on. Those data will be used to implement quotas of all kinds and put providers at risk of being sued. For example, the data will help trial lawyers pursue "disparate impact" cases against physicians and hospitals -- even if the differing health outcomes of patients have nothing to do with actual discriminatory treatment by providers. One provision even requires the secretary of health and human services to consult with "representatives of racial and ethnic minorities" about the content of promotional labels or print ads for drugs. Racial politics is poised to trump scientific accuracy in drug labeling. In general, the bill reflects two articles of faith prevalent on the left: (1) that discrimination is perfectly acceptable when practiced in favor of certain minority groups; and (2) that racial disparities in health outcomes arise because doctors and patients don't have the same racial or ethnic or cultural background. The latter is, of course, nonsense. As the Civil Rights Commission said succinctly, the assumption that "racial health disparities are caused by a shortage of medical professionals of particular races misdiagnose[s] the problem and may well exacerbate it." CLICK So they want to flood our healthcare system with Quota doctors not the most qualified.
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now that is a bit frightening. not the best and brightest but simply "quota".
wonder what they'll do with all the monies saved up during the four (6?) years to implement this thing?
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rrivello wrote:now that is a bit frightening. not the best and brightest but simply "quota".
wonder what they'll do with all the monies saved up during the four (6?) years to implement this thing? Haha, money saved up that's a good one. If the benefits kicked in immediately the 10year CBO estimate would have 4 more years of cost added. Obama just pushed back the date benefits kick in 4 years to lower the estimate.
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The student loan reader in the health care bill favoring minorities is just one more abuse of power by this oppressive administration and its congressional minions. It is going to take years to clean up the mess and repair the damage they will have done to our Constitution through their abusive and illegitimate ways of forcing LAWs upon us. Quote: But when a long Train of abuses and Usurpations pursing invariably the same Object evinces a Design to reduce then under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security
~Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence
"On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 1823
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Yes maam, Thomas was a liberal but he wasn't a Neo-Com.
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some more information. Quote:When Massachusetts passed its pioneering health care reforms in 2006, critics warned that they would result in a slow but steady spiral downward toward a government-run health care system. Three years later, those predictions appear to be coming true:
•Although the state has reduced the number of residents without health insurance, 200,000 people remain uninsured. Moreover, the increase in the number of insured is primarily due to the state's generous subsidies, not the celebrated individual mandate. •Health care costs continue to rise much faster than the national average. Since 2006, total state health care spending has increased by 28 percent. Insurance premiums have increased by 8–10 percent per year, nearly double the national average. •New regulations and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice and adding to health care costs. •Program costs have skyrocketed. Despite tax increases, the program faces huge deficits. The state is considering caps on insurance premiums, cuts in reimbursements to providers, and even the possibility of a "global budget" on health care spending—with its attendant rationing. •A shortage of providers, combined with increased demand, is increasing waiting times to see a physician. With the "Massachusetts model" frequently cited as a blueprint for health care reform, it is important to recognize that giving the government greater control over our health care system will have grave consequences for taxpayers, providers, and health care consumers. That is the lesson of the Massachusetts model. CLICK HERE!!Then scroll down and read the briefing papers at the bottom of the page it's very enlightening.
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hartman79 wrote:Which part of NO are you having trouble with?
I’m so tired of the poor pitiful sob stories and I’m sick of seeing the Democrats parade poor little puppet people out in front the cameras for another pity party! I get tired of hearing – idiots like Dick Durbin claiming that 70 Americans will die today because they don’t have healthcare or something 30 million are uninsured or 50 million are uninsured or was it 37 million are uninsured – pick a damn number and toss me a tissue boo-freaking-hoo! You’re lying Durbin and you’re democrat buddies are lying too. Show me some fact, some data, some evidence show me something other than your finger puppet version of reality.
Here is the REAL DEAL – If congress was to pass healthcare today, right now, right this damn minute – guess what? Roughly the same stinking number of people will die tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day that died today – you can’t stop death and to top that off, this lame ass healthcare plan doesn’t go into effect for 4 years and the Progressive Democrats act like they care so much – give me a freaking break!
I want someone to ask one of these a-holes in the Democrat party – if you care so much about the lowly plebes that you want to parade people around that you claim have been a victim of the system and have no health coverage then tell me why is it that it doesn’t go into effect for four years? Tell me if you Democrats care SO MUCH about the American peoples health and well being then why wait? What’s the delay? What’s the hold up? Why is that the taxes to pay for healthcare start the minute bill is signed, but the services to save the poor pathetic lives of the downtrodden and forgotten and those without coverage – that coverage doesn’t go into effect until late 2014? What’s up with that you all caring Dems?
That is the questions I want asked when these a-holes that parade some insurance sad sack victim out on stage – if you Democrats care so much then tell me 1.) Why don’t you do something to help them? You rich help them out – share your wealth! and 2.) If this is so important it has to be done right now – why wait 4 year to put it into effect?
And one last thing – just so you know - the Democrat congressional leaders agreed to fold Obama’s student-loan proposal into a bill aimed at winning final approval of his drive to overhaul U.S. healthcare. Now what the hell student loans have to do with healthcare is beyond me – meanwhile the quarter trillion dollar Doc Fix is left out of the healthcare bill to keep the CBO’s numbers down to fudge the numbers once again.
So why is there a student loan reader in the healthcare bill — I know you are wondering – it’s an entitlement for “underrepresented minorities” going to medical school now what’s a “underrepresented minorities” well I can tell you it’s not Asians and it’s not Jews so you do the math on that. Frankly, I thought being “underrepresented” is what made you a minority in the first damn place
There are important parts of the healthcare plan that would indeed go into effect this year. But to get those exchanges set up and functioning doesn't happen overnight, magically. Don't worry Harty, your taxes won't go up for this plan. You aren't in that select category...most people aren't. "Underrepresented" means percent in college vs the percent in the general population. I can't believe it's even necessary to explain that to someone.
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If your going to correct others cowboy, at least be right. In this case it means percentage of doctors vs. perctage of population. Example: If American Indians were 1% of doctors and 2% of population they would be "underrepresented".
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duckmg wrote:If your going to correct others cowboy, at least be right. In this case it means percentage of doctors vs. perctage of population. Example: If American Indians were 1% of doctors and 2% of population they would be "underrepresented". I assumed this part of Harty's post was being accurate... "....it’s an entitlement for “underrepresented minorities” going to medical school" That says "going to school" not those who are actually already doctors. Fine line but significant.
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Right, medical school not just college. if they're underrepresented as doctors we Quota them into "medical" school.
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