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The Old Testament book most clearly related to Revelation is Daniel. Daniel lays the FOUNDATION for understanding Bible Prophecy and Revelation constructs the BUILDING. Many of the seemingly mystifying symbols of Revelation are actually clearly defined and explained in Daniel. Daniel gives the starting event, the middle event, the length, and the role of Israel in the tribulation. (Dan 9:24-27; cf. Rev 11:2; 12:6, 14; 13:5) Daniel gives the background for understanding the role of the Antichrist. (Dan 3:1-7; 7:7  , 24-25; 8:9-12, 23-25; 9:27; 11:36-45; cf. Rev 13)
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Revelation may be compared to Genesis, completing many of the themes introduced in that book. Note these words by Willington:
1) "In Genesis, we are told, ’And the gathering of the waters he called seas’ (1:10) In Revelation we are told; ’And there was no more sea’ (21:1).
2) In Genesis is described the first Adam with his wife Eve in the Garden of Eden, reigning over the earth (1:27,28). In revelation is described the last Adam with his wife, the Church, in the city of God, reigning over all the universe (21:9).
3)In Genesis, God created the sun and moon, the day and night (1:4, 16). In Revelation we are told, ’There shall be no night there’ (22:5). ’And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof’ (21:23).
4) In Genesis the tree of life is denied to sinful man (3:22). In revelation the tree of life ’yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were the healing of the nations’ (22:2).
5) In Genesis man hears God say, ’Cursed is the ground for thy sake’ (3:17). In Revelation man will hear God say: ’And there shall be no more curse’ (22:3).
6) In Genesis Satan appears to torment man for awhile (3:1). In Revelation Satan disappears, himself to be tormented forever (20:10).
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7) In Genesis the old earth was punished through a flood (7:12). In revelation the new earth shall be purified through a fire (2 Pet 3:6-12; Rev 21:1).
8) In Genesis, man’s early home was beside a river (2:10). In revelation, man’s eternal home will be beside a river: ’And He shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb’ (22:1).
9) In Genesis the Patriarch Abraham goes to weep for Sarah (23:2). In revelation the children of Abraham will have God himself wipe away all tears from their eyes (21:4).
10) In Genesis God destroys an earthly city, wicked Sodom, from the sands (Gen 19). In revelation God presents a heavenly city, new Jerusalem, from the skies (Rev 21:1).
11) Genesis ends with a believer in Egypt, lying in a coffin (50:1-3). Revelation ends with all believers in eternity, reigning forever (21:4).
120 "J. Vernon McGee writes: This book is like a great union station where the great trunk lines of prophecy come in from other portions of Scripture. Revelation does not originate, but consummates. It is imperative to a right understanding of the book to be able to trace each great subject of prophecy from the reference to the terminal.’ (Revealing Through Revelation. p. 4)" (Willington’s Guide to the Bible, p 537)
Revelation may also be compared to Zecariah- (Zech 1:7- 6:8; cf. Rev 6-16)
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I was just watching on a religious network this guy who was describing a statue or kingdom (It looked like a statue) and he was describing the kingdoms one was gold (being babylon) never to be lived in again. the next was silver (Persia?) then bronze (greece) then the other one I can’t remember was rome...I think steel, or iron...then iron mixed with mushy rock and then it was divided like toes which was the mixed states of rome. I dont know I thought it was interesting. I can’t remember the guy or the channel (ie ewtn, tbn) I think the program was AMAZING FACTS if anyone recognizes it. the gent who teaches it I’ve seen him 2 times so far so I think it’s a regular show and he’s a half balding white man with glasses. Just wondering if anyone of you might recognize it or the statue/kingdom .....It was about Nebuchanezzar (sp) story with the interpretations. I had to leave before I got to the end of it. Sound familiar? "I'm not here. Leave a message!"
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King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream (Daniel 2) and Daniel interpreted it for him.
The King dreamed of a large statue of a man in 4 sections that was destroyed by a stone. (Dan 2:31-33, 34-35). The Theology of the dream- the statue represents 4 world empires.
The Head was made from Gold -- Babylon 606-539 BC-- now Iraq.
The Breast and Arms were made from Silver and represents Persia - 539-331 BC- now Iran.
The Belly and Thighs was made from Brass and represented Greece in 331-323 BC.
The legs and Feet were made from Iron and Clay and represents Rome 322-Bc to AD 476 and the Future.
After the final kingdom, Christ, the crushing stone, will estabish His eternal Kingdom (Dan 2:44-45)
The final power, Rome, will be revived in the last days as a 10 nation confederacy ( the toes of clay)over which the Antichrist will rule - (cf Dan 2:40-44a; 7:7; Rev 13:11)
I can go on to tell you about each Kingdom- if you are interested.
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It should be noted that:
The last Kingdom mentioned - Rome...
1. It’s History continued on through the Byzantine empire (AD 330-1453), The Roman Catholic Church, and the Holy Roman Empire (AD 800-1806. The Empire also lived on through its institutions, law, philosophy, culture, architeculture and religion.
2. The United States of Europe or the European Union (formerly known as the Common Market) began as an Economic union in 1948 and became a Political unity in 1993. Many within the european leadership consider this to be the revival of the ancient Roman Empire.
This is the 10 nation confederacy prophyized by Daniel for the LAST DAYS-- that the Antichrist will rule. ALSO remember - the Antichrist can not be revealed until after the Rapture - during the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation. Too close for me to think it’s still far off.
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Quote: Originally posted by kspletzer on 07 October 2009
It should be noted that:
The last Kingdom mentioned - Rome...
1. It’s History continued on through the Byzantine empire (AD 330-1453), The Roman Catholic Church, and the Holy Roman Empire (AD 800-1806. The Empire also lived on through its institutions, law, philosophy, culture, architeculture and religion.
2. The United States of Europe or the European Union (formerly known as the Common Market) began as an Economic union in 1948 and became a Political unity in 1993. Many within the european leadership consider this to be the revival of the ancient Roman Empire.
This is the 10 nation confederacy prophyized by Daniel for the LAST DAYS-- that the Antichrist will rule. ALSO remember - the Antichrist can not be revealed until after the Rapture - during the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation. Too close for me to think it’s still far off.
Personal opinions like yours are not Gospel Truth. God did not appoint you an infallible revelator.
Sorry to point out that this is another one of your mindless anti-Catholic clip and paste jobs - which has no bearing on doctrinal certainty. "What we do in life echoes in eternity." - Maximus
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Firebird - WHAT are you talking about now?? Where did I say anything against YOUR Church? I did not clip and paste this - I rewrote/typed it from a very reliable source and I quoted the Bible. Tell me the truth- do you not read all the Bible?? Try Ezecial and Daniel - there is tons of prophecy and it has been followed by these prophecies coming true. Continue what you believe of me but I’d be careful to denounce the Bible and the word of Christ.
Dear Precious Lord, guide my steps, give me the wisdom to proclaim your Word and not provoke another Christian.
Let those who oppose me- first read the Bible and your words, before going against you and what you’ve stated in your Holy Bible and those you told about what the future will be. "Even so Lord, Come quickly"-- AMEN
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Quote: Originally posted by kspletzer on 07 October 2009
It should be noted that:
The last Kingdom mentioned - Rome...
This is the 10 nation confederacy prophyized by Daniel for the LAST DAYS-- that the Antichrist will rule. ALSO remember - the Antichrist can not be revealed until after the Rapture - during the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation.
Once again the Holy Bible (God’s Word) plants suspicion and division among His children. Who is the Antichrist? It might be you or him or her or who? I’d better consider them all to be the Antichrist and treat them as such just to be safe. Sigh... Where is God’s love in this? How do we live God’s love with all this suspicion and division? Don When I works, I works hard. When I sits and thinks, I goes to sleep.
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The Antichrist will be Satanically empowered man who imitates and opposes Christ and will rule the nations and religions of the world for Satan. He will bea hypnotic communicator (Dan 11:36; Rev 13:5-6); a brilliant military strategist (Rev 6:2; 13:4); the greatesteconomist in history (Rev 13:16-17; Dan 11:43); a master politiciab (Rev 17:11-12); a spiritual leader with unmatched charisma who unites the world’s religions (Rev 13:8; Rev 17; 2 Thjess 2:4); and He will be evil incarnate, more wicked than Judas, Hitler, Stalin, Manson and Bin Laden combined. Yet as the great Deceiver, he will convince the world that he is a saint and even a god. He is known as the Antichrist, the beast (Rev 11:7-- 36 times in Revelation), the man of sin (2 Thess 2:3), that Wicked and the son of perdition (2 Thess 2:8), the prince that shall come (Dan 9:26), and the little horn with eyes like a man (Dan 7:8). Many have attempted to personally identify the Antichrist. All have been and will be wrong until after the Rapture. The Antichrist will not be revealed until the removal of the Restrainer (The Holy Spirit) at the Rapture (2 Thess 2:6 ) He may already be alive today.
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Quote: Originally posted by kspletzer on 07 October 2009
Firebird - WHAT are you talking about now?? Where did I say anything against YOUR Church? I did not clip and paste this - I rewrote/typed it from a very reliable source and I quoted the Bible. Tell me the truth- do you not read all the Bible?? Try Ezecial and Daniel - there is tons of prophecy and it has been followed by these prophecies coming true. Continue what you believe of me but I’d be careful to denounce the Bible and the word of Christ.
Not denouncing the Word of God - just your interpretation of it.
When you talk about A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE - pls. cite it, to show us that you really mean it is reliable and not some Baptist propaganda which is usually anti-Catholic. "What we do in life echoes in eternity." - Maximus
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Quote: Originally posted by dmccollom on 07 October 2009
Quote: Originally posted by kspletzer on 07 October 2009
It should be noted that:
The last Kingdom mentioned - Rome...
This is the 10 nation confederacy prophyized by Daniel for the LAST DAYS-- that the Antichrist will rule. ALSO remember - the Antichrist can not be revealed until after the Rapture - during the first 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation.
Once again the Holy Bible (God’s Word) plants suspicion and division among His children. Who is the Antichrist? It might be you or him or her or who? I’d better consider them all to be the Antichrist and treat them as such just to be safe.
Sigh... Where is God’s love in this? How do we live God’s love with all this suspicion and division?
Don
Right you are, Don! Just where is God’s love in all this finger-pointing and mental torture, trying to figure out who is the anti-Christ? We are called to be ready at any time, not to ponder on end-times prophecies. Leave that to the snake oil salesmen like Tim LeHaye.
You can see the rotten fruits of this postulating already - suspicion and division, not to mention that such tactics go against the Bible’s injunction not to give personal interpretations.
I learned from various Protestant converts that their credal statements contained the statement that the Pope was the anti-Christ and the RCC is the “great and abominable church.” That "abominable church" refers to the “church” of the devil that arose centuries before the RCC. It refers to those that fight against the Church of God.
The idea in 19th century writings that the Pope was the anti-Christ originated with Luther because of his anger towards two evil Popes. He came up with a doctrine, Faith Alone which the Catholic Church refused to accept since it contradicted Jesus’ teachings. He over-reacted, calling the Pope the anti-Christ, and the Catholic Church other juicy names.
The notion that the RCC was some horrible beast originated with Protestant historians and every Christian denomination that sprung from the Reformation.
From what I understand, preterists (those that believe that some or most of the prophecies re: the end times actually happened in the first century or so) identfiy the beast with Imperial Rome or Nero.
Historists such as the 7th day Adventists hold that the beast is the papacy.
Futurists say it is an anti-Christ that will come after the Rapture.
Jehovah’s Witnesses say it is a world power.
Aleister Crowley claimed it was him.
Some say George Tiller, the baby-killer was the anti-Christ - 75,000 babies were aborted, some even late-term abortions.
Still others claim it was Ronald Reagan or maybe Hitler.
Instead of wasting time on such perambulations on future events, a trip to the homeless shelter will do wonders to feed the soul. "What we do in life echoes in eternity." - Maximus
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who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ, ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son . 1 John 2:22
Little children it is the last time. and as you have heard that antchrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists; whereby we know it is the last time 1 John 2:18
theantichrist has been here since Jesus created His church. dajcat
note: the "last time" speaks of the return of Jesus and the rapture.
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Quote: Originally posted by kspletzer on 07 October 2009
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Firebird - WHAT are you talking about now?? Where did I say anything against YOUR Church? I did not clip and paste this - I rewrote/typed it from a very reliable source and I quoted the Bible. Tell me the truth- do you not read all the Bible?? Try Ezecial and Daniel - there is tons of prophecy and it has been followed by these prophecies coming true. Continue what you believe of me but I’d be careful to denounce the Bible and the word of Christ.
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Not denouncing the Word of God - just your interpretation of it. -- THIS is going against the RCC?? I don’t think it even comes close. You are just defending the RCC to argue out of content - right???
When you talk about A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE - pls. cite it, to show us that you really mean it is reliable and not some Baptist propaganda which is usually anti-Catholic.
When you quote the sources of the RCC - do I say it’s unreliable or some RCC propaganda?? You should be VERY careful when you renounce the Word of God. I gave Bible verses- HOW RELIABLE are they?? ASK God.
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have no problem with the prophecies and warnings issued by the Pope and our Catholic mystics. I heed the Bible’s warnings that a) we should be ready at any time to be called home and judged by the love we have shown to others and that b) we should not give personal interpretations unless it is conforms with the apostolic teachings. There can only be one truth from God. I take issue with your previous posts that referred to the Pope as the Anti-Christ and just saw more of the same when you identified the RCC in another thread "Revelation - Comparison." Even Em had to tell you to stop torturing yourself about these issues, and urged you to work in a homeless shelter. I repeated that same advice on your new thread. You concurred with her by saying: "It sure beats arguing." Em didn’t say that - YOU DID! So pls use reliable sources 
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Boy are these threads going haywire. Who said what to who ?
dajcat
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Quote: Originally posted by cfirebird65 on 07 October 2009
I learned from various Protestant converts that their credal statements contained the statement that the Pope was the anti-Christ and the RCC is the “great and abominable church.” That "abominable church" refers to the “church” of the devil that arose centuries before the RCC. It refers to those that fight against the Church of God.
The idea in 19th century writings that the Pope was the anti-Christ originated with Luther because of his anger towards two evil Popes. He came up with a doctrine, Faith Alone which the Catholic Church refused to accept since it contradicted Jesus’ teachings. He over-reacted, calling the Pope the anti-Christ, and the Catholic Church other juicy names.
The notion that the RCC was some horrible beast originated with Protestant historians and every Christian denomination that sprung from the Reformation.
From what I understand, preterists (those that believe that some or most of the prophecies re: the end times actually happened in the first century or so) identfiy the beast with Imperial Rome or Nero.
Historists such as the 7th day Adventists hold that the beast is the papacy.
Futurists say it is an anti-Christ that will come after the Rapture.
Jehovah’s Witnesses say it is a world power.
Aleister Crowley claimed it was him.
Some say George Tiller, the baby-killer was the anti-Christ - 75,000 babies were aborted, some even late-term abortions.
Still others claim it was Ronald Reagan or maybe Hitler.
Instead of wasting time on such perambulations on future events, a trip to the homeless shelter will do wonders to feed the soul.
I would like to think that my ex boss is the antichrist. (sorry, that was an attempt at humor) The last statement (ref: the homeless shelter doing the soul good) I support 100%! "I'm not here. Leave a message!"
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Quote: Originally posted by dajcat on 08 October 2009
Boy are these threads going haywire. Who said what to who ?
dajcat
Pull up a chair, daj!! You’re safe here with me (hands dajcat a lemonade) "I'm not here. Leave a message!"
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Nic, Don’t confuse Protestant denominations with the SDA or the JW. The creed of the Protestant communities is and always will be the Nicean and the Apostles Creed. We may not recite it each week but that is the basis of our faith.. Thanks Nic I’m drinking Gingerale with Cranberry juice.
I don’t know where you came up with the idea that Luther came up with the Doctrine of Faith Alone. Paul gave that doctrine in his epistles 1500 years before Luther.
david
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Quote: Originally posted by dajcat on 08 October 2009
Nic, Don’t confuse Protestant denominations with the SDA or the JW. The creed of the Protestant communities is and always will be the Nicean and the Apostles Creed. We may not recite it each week but that is the basis of our faith.. Thanks Nic I’m drinking Gingerale with Cranberry juice.
I don’t know where you came up with the idea that Luther came up with the Doctrine of Faith Alone. Paul gave that doctrine in his epistles 1500 years before Luther.
david
David, I dont know where you are getting that I said Luther came up with the Doctrin of Faith Alone.....Are you referring to someone else and that got cought up in your response to me? .....Ginger Ale and Cranberry Juice sounds good. Try just juiced ginger and cranberries in club soda. It’s more natural than the sodium benzoate you get from soda isle ginger ale and high fructose corn syrup in the juice isle cranberry juice. And toss in some lime wedges! yum "I'm not here. Leave a message!"
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