Very good!!

I am not troubled within.I cry for the world.No I have not tried the Messianic Jews but it sounds interesting.I have though been to an Orthodox Christian Church in Yoshkar-Ola,Russia where I felt the presence of the Lord like I have never experienced anywhere else before.Even all the saints on the front wall you could even tell they were men.AMAZING All the Russian men I spoke to did not know who Micheal Angelo was nor did they want to know.They had heard of Madonna but did not want to know her either.AMAZING Yet we say Russia is a faithless coutry when I saw little old ladies walk for a mile or more to get to church without any canes or walkers and once there had to stand for the next two to three hours as there are no pews in an Orthodox Christin Church.We as a Christ like people need to throw our propogandizing,ungodly government out of our churches.we have never been a Christian nation NEVER we merely try to use God for our own betterment.God help us.Or maybe even better let the person Michael Angelo painted who is no more than the bi-sexual who was crucified on the left of my Lord jesus Christ come and save you.This has been Satin;s lie from the dark ages.God help us

Without God, we will live like animals!



After listening to the debate between Bill O’Reilly and Richard Dawkins, it struck me again that the resistance to evolutionary theory largely stems from the illusion that without God there can be no morality. Some believers feel threatened by evolutionary theory not because the theory is right or wrong -- the evidence doesn’t seem to matter much to them -- but because accepting it would mean accepting that we have been created by natural processes including our morality. The final part is what bothers them the most.







Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frans-de-waal/morals-without-god_b_316473.html





Grant

God gets to decide what means he uses to create the universe, even if they are not those we might prefer.

Moose, This is the best post you ever wrote. And it makes the most sense to me.

Don

Actually - the leaves are REALLY red, yellow and orange all the time. During the summer the leaves receive the sunlight and thru photosyntheisis they pick up the color green. When the fall comes, they do not get this from the sun and they revert back to their red, yellow and orange.

The 1260 day prophecy (there's also a 2300 day prophecy) can be found in the books of Daniel and Revelation. In Christianity the basis for the long term comes from the interpretation of the 3 1/2 day period mentioned in Revelation 11 and that being the 3 1/2 days are equal to 3 1/2 years. The theory was first applied by the Jews who used Daniel to determine that messiah would come sometime between 1000 and 1010 AD of course that didn't happen. Most major Christian religions do not hold with the 1260 or 2300 day theories/prophecies.

As far as being a book of science the Bible is pretty poor even when compared to other texts of antiquity. Nic you are right when you say humans evolve also there is absolutely no conflict between evolution and the Bible. The Bible tells us that we are made from the dust of the earth however the human body is 61.8% water by weight. Protein accounts for 16.6%; fat, 14.9%; and nitrogen 3.3% of human body weight. Other elements constitute smaller percentages of body weight. These are only averages actual water weight can vary from 55% to 78% which gives more credibility to the Egyptian account of creation where they claim we were formed from the mud of the Nile.

Your right though, God creates and all life evolves from that initial act of creation.

This stage is already set for this event to be fulfilled in THIS generation. Israel came into existence as a nation in May 1948. Europe began an economic union in 1948 and achieved polital union on January 1, 1993. Peace negotiations with Israel and her Arab neighbors (with European representatives involved) began after the Gulf War and saw an initial treaty signed in Sepember of 1993. There was another Peace Treaty signed in 1999.

NOTE- Israel and the Arabs will NEVER be able to settle the issues of the final status of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount without outside help. That help is exactly what the Antichrist, as the coming European Leader, will claim to provide. The need for peace in the Middle East has become even more important in light of the global war on terror and the expansion of the nuclear and biological weapon threats.

The Great Tribulation and the Preparations for the Millennial Reign of Christ--(Dan 12:5-7, 11-13)
The Great Tribualation- 1260 days (a time, times and a half: one year, second year and third year and a half of a year) Dan 12:5-7. The duration of this final horrible half of the tribulation will last as long as it takes for the pride and power of the Jews to be broken, or 3 1/2 years. 365+365+365+165= 1260. In the Bible it uses the term "time" as a year and it uses "times" to mean two years.
The Judgements following the Tribulation- 1290 days. (Dan 12:11) This period includes an additional 30 days perhaps to carry out the Sheep Goat Judgement mentioned in Matthew 25:31-46.
The Preparitions for the Millenennial Reign of Christ - 1335 days. This period of 75 additional days perhaps for setting up the government machinery for carrying on the rule of Christ.

Anyway the 3 1/2 years is a REAL number -- it'll be 3 1/2 years after the Rapture and then 3 1/2 years after that that the Antichrist will reign and then meet his match at Armegodon when Christ comes back with his army of saints.

Slight correction.To this day Israel is not a nation.In the compormise Israel was allowed to become a state.Same thing they are trying to do for the Palestians.The Muslims would have never agreed for Israel to have a country.So in the wording they changed it to state.Before we start figuring we need facts and also how God looks at things.How could God look at it like we had two world wars with Germany.Man came up with a treaty to END ALL WARS.I am not sure that lasted the weekend.I think man in the very near future is going to have a huge laugh at us.We are led around like sheep.People start dieing if thier TV blows up or elecric goes out.What have we become?

Our main text will be Ezekiel 36-40
Summary:

From the date when Ezekiel measured the visionary temple in Ezekiel 40 unto 1948 when Israel became a nation again are 1260 plus 1260 years.

It happens that 1260 plus 1260 days is an important seven-year period in the bible, spoken of in Rev. 11-13 and elsewhere. (360 x 7 days.)

573 BC Nisan 10, plus 1260 + 1260 years
= AD 1948 Pentecost

Israel became a nation Sivan 5 on the 360 calendar, which was May 14 evening to May 15 evening in 1948. Israel became a nation at midnight May 14th ending, in 1948, upon the termination of the British mandate.

Note: It can be shown that even the Jewish calendar of Iyar 6 could have been Sivan 6th {i.e., Pentecost} that year since the month began very late that year. Sivan 5th is Pentecost on the 360 calendar while Sivan 6th is Pentecost on the regular Jewish calendar. This is because the month of Iyar only has 29 days in it on the regular Jewish calendar, whereas the 360 calendar always have 30 days.

Ezekiel 40:1 (ASV) In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day, the hand of Jehovah was upon me, and he brought me thither. ( Nisan 10, 573 BC.)

Eze 40:2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me down upon a very high mountain, whereon was as it were the frame of a city on the south.

Eze 40:3 And he brought me thither; and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.

Eze 40:4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thy heart upon all that I shall show thee; for, to the intent that I may show them unto thee, art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.


From the date when Ezekiel measured the visionary temple in Ezekiel 40 unto 1948 when Israel became a nation are 1260 years plus 1260 years.

573 BC Nisan 10, plus 1260 times-two years

= AD 1948 Pentecost

Questions and Answers:

Que. What is significant about Israel becoming a nation in 1948?

Ans. It fulfilled such prophecies as Ezekiel 36 and 37 and heralded the soon end of the age. Palestine was a desert land before Israel recently made it "like the garden of Eden."

Ezekiel 36:33-35 (ASV) Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: In the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will cause the cities to be inhabited, and the waste places shall be builded. And the land that was desolate shall be tilled, whereas it was a desolation in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are fortified and inhabited.

Que. What is the connection between the measuring of the temple in Ezekiel 40 and Israel becoming a nation, aside from there being 1260 years plus 1260 years?

Ans. The prophecy of Ezekiel 36 and 37 about the return of Israel to her own land flows naturally into the subject of the rebuilding of the temple in Ezekiel 40. Simply put, Israel is not fully restored until God Himself sits within His temple in Jerusalem. Thus, there needs to be a temple. The temple is the climax of a restored Israel. Note the last verses of Ezekiel 37.

There has been some confusion concerning what I believe about when Ezekiel's temple will be rebuilt. I try to clear up that matter on the forum. Click here. In a nutshell, there will be a temple or sanctuary desecrated by antichrist, and then there will also be the temple of Ezekiel built during the Millennium. Why it will be rebuilt is also discussed on the forum!

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, for ever: and David my servant shall be their prince for ever.

Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

Eze 37:27-28 My tabernacle also shall be with them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the nations shall know that I am Jehovah that sanctifieth Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Que. But Israel is still without a temple, Why?

Ans. Israel is being restored in stages --- all on a numeric grid known only to God, but explained to us as it happens. Moreover, while the temple is literal it foremostly has a spiritual application. That is, the temple is figurative of the body of Jesus Christ who is the now-rejected king of the Jews. Eventually Israel's will receive a 'Pentecost' rebirth, as did the disciples 50 days after Christ rose from the dead.

John 2:19-21 Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. The Jews therefore said, Forty and six years was this temple building, and thou wilt raise it up in three days? But he spoke of the temple of his body.