|
|
 Rank: King  Joined: 12/26/2005 Posts: 1,617
|
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, often referred to as Mormons. Have you heard rumors? The purpose of this thread is to give everyone an oppertunity to ASK questions and recieve answers in a non threatening environment. It is not for those who wish to vent or accuse.
Jerry
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
the following links can be found at the google website. There are over 200000 links. Judge for yourself people. What you will get from Chase is a one sided view of the Mormon church. Some of the next links are from former Mormons. Your future is in the balance that is why I post these links.
dajcat
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
"Exposing the Cult of Mormonism" "Exposing the Cult of Mormonism" By: Pastor Stephen Daily ... According to Joseph Smith, an Angel by the Name of Moroni Appeared to Him ... www.shadycrest.org/Sermons/1Timothy4.htm - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
Latter-day Saints (LDS), Mormon Doctrine Exposed MORMON DOCTRINE EXPOSED - Reference Chart exposing the doctrinal errors of the .... “Joseph Smith taught a plurality of gods, and that man by obeying the ... www.4witness.org/mormon/lds_exp.php - 135k - Cached - Similar pages
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
Why I Left Mormonism - the Mormon Church
Even the official History of the Church is only 40% Joseph Smith’s writings when .... It is copied from the book "Freemasonry Exposed" by William Morgan who ...
www.exmormon.org/whyileft.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
Book results for Exposing Joseph Smith
The History of the Saints: Or An Exposé of Joe ... - by John Cook Bennett - 396 pages
Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism - by Richard Lyman Bushman - 276 pages
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
What Transpires During The Mormon Ceremonies Pt.2 An article ... An article exposing the practices that take place during the Mormon Temple ... Joseph Smith’s "Inspired Version", which belongs to the Reorganized LDS ... www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=660 - 25k - Cached - Similar pages
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
Mormonism Exposed: Joseph Smith An Impostor And The Book Of Mormon ... - Google Books Result
by Elder G. B. Hancock - 2004 - Religion - 164 pages
This book was written following a debate held by the author and the Mormons at Fayette City, Pennsylvania.
books.google.ca/books?isbn=1417968273...
|
|
|
Rank: King  Joined: 10/7/2009 Posts: 2,051
|
Quote: Originally posted by gfchase on 02 September 2008
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, often referred to as Mormons. Have you heard rumors? The purpose of this thread is to give everyone an oppertunity to ASK questions and recieve answers in a non threatening environment. It is not for those who wish to vent or accuse. Jerry
Jerry, so glad you started this thread. It will help to dispel the myths and misconceptions about your Church. It takes courage to do so and I for one, would like to accept your invitation to ask questions. I understand that your Church has a different interpretation of Jesus than the RCC has: a) In its early history, Mormons were taught that Jesus was married to three women - Mary Magdalene, and Mary and Martha, Lazarus’ sisters, and that He had children, and lived to see His children, and that Joseph Smith claimed to be a direct blood descendant of Jesus Christ. b) "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ’do not believe in the traditional Christ.’ ’No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.’" - Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7 Could you explain these two items fully? Thank you. "What we do in life echoes in eternity." - Maximus
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 12/26/2005 Posts: 1,617
|
Quote: Originally posted by cfirebird65 on 02 September 2008
Jerry, so glad you started this thread. It will help to dispel the myths and misconceptions about your Church. It takes courage to do so and I for one, would like to accept your invitation to ask questions.
I understand that your Church has a different interpretation of Jesus than the RCC has:
a) In its early history, Mormons were taught that Jesus was married to three women - Mary Magdalene, and Mary and Martha, Lazarus’ sisters, and that He had children, and lived to see His children, and that Joseph Smith claimed to be a direct blood descendant of Jesus Christ.
b) "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ’do not believe in the traditional Christ.’ ’No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.’"- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p.7
Could you explain these two items fully?
Thank you.
Firebird - Thank you for your questions, I will do my best to answer them for you. Firstly I want to say that the doctrine of the church has never changed. I have read a good deal of the early history of the church, but by no means all of it, even after more than fifty years as a member.
question a. To the best of my knowledge none of this was ever taught as doctrine. Let me take this on in reverse order. 1.Joseph Smith was not a descendant of Christ. He was a descendant of Joseph through Ephriam who was sold into Egypt, as are the vast majority of the members of the church today, either by adoption or by blood. I can give you more on this later if you wish. 2. I have never heard it taught that Jesus had children. 3. He was not married to Mary and Martha. 4. To my knowledge it was never taught by Joseph Smith that Christ was married to Mary Magdalene. There has been SPECULATION that he may have been married to her by some members of the church. This SPECULATION is based on the idea that Christ set the example in all things and marriage would bo one of them. Also, while it does not say anywhere in the Bible that he was married, it also does not say that he was not, additionally that if he was married that he would appear to his wife first. I do not know the origination of this SPECULATION, but it has been around for a long time, and is not doctrine.
Question b. The teachings of the ministers in the time of Joseph Smith and certainly even today, was and is that of a Triune God. This teaching came about at the Council of Nicea. When Joseph went into the grove to pray about which church he should join, he beheld in open vision ... "two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other--THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM". Joseph learned from this encounter that God and His Son, Jesus Christ are two seperate beings. He learned that they were not Personages of spirit, but were flesh and bone.
Thank you again for your questions, please feel free to ask any others that you may have.
Jerry
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 18,132
|
Quote: Originally posted by gfchase on 02 September 2008
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, often referred to as Mormons. Have you heard rumors? The purpose of this thread is to give everyone an oppertunity to ASK questions and recieve answers in a non threatening environment. It is not for those who wish to vent or accuse.
Jerry
Jerry, I wish you the very best, and I’ll be praying for you. The darts of the adversary are already flying I see. (No reference to firebird’s sincere and honest question.)
Russ
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 12/26/2005 Posts: 1,617
|
Quote: Originally posted by rorussell on 02 September 2008
Quote: Originally posted by gfchase on 02 September 2008
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, often referred to as Mormons. Have you heard rumors? The purpose of this thread is to give everyone an oppertunity to ASK questions and recieve answers in a non threatening environment. It is not for those who wish to vent or accuse.
Jerry
Jerry, I wish you the very best, and I’ll be praying for you. The darts of the adversary are already flying I see. (No reference to firebird’s sincere and honest question.)
Russ
Russ--Thank you very much, I need all of the prayers I can get.
Jerry
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
If Jesus had three wives, and unless he kept His wives as Virgins He was a sinner just as we are. That’s not what my bible says. What strange doctrines. Thank you Firebird I never knew that was one of the Mormon doctrines. Please ask for some more insight.. . Can Joseph Smith trace his ancestery back to Joseph of the bible like Matthew did for Jesus.?I doubt it. I think I am a Prince cause the slightest little grain of sand under my foot I can feel.. Can I prove it, I don’t think so. My first name is David does that mean I am a descendent of David in the bible? I am a Jew by adoption but David’s descendent I think not. The only lineage I can claim is what I receive from my Lord Jesus .JESUS IS LORD.
dajcat
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 12/26/2005 Posts: 1,617
|
Quote: Originally posted by dajcat on 02 September 2008
If Jesus had three wives, and unless he kept His wives as Virgins He was a sinner just as we are. That’s not what my bible says. What strange doctrines. Thank you Firebird I never knew that was one of the Mormon doctrines. Please ask for some more insight.. . Can Joseph Smith trace his ancestery back to Joseph of the bible like Matthew did for Jesus.?I doubt it. I think I am a Prince cause the slightest little grain of sand under my foot I can feel.. Can I prove it, I don’t think so. My first name is David does that mean I am a descendent of David in the bible? I am a Jew by adoption but David’s descendent I think not. The only lineage I can claim is what I receive from my Lord Jesus .JESUS IS LORD.
dajcat
I am sorry that you feel the need to attack what you have no desire to understand, that you twist what is said by anyone you disagree with. After reading your posts over the last month on other threads, I do not feel the need to say anything more.
Jerry
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 18,132
|
Quote: Originally posted by dajcat on 02 September 2008
If Jesus had three wives, and unless he kept His wives as Virgins He was a sinner just as we are. That’s not what my bible says. What strange doctrines. Thank you Firebird I never knew that was one of the Mormon doctrines. Please ask for some more insight.. . Can Joseph Smith trace his ancestery back to Joseph of the bible like Matthew did for Jesus.?I doubt it. I think I am a Prince cause the slightest little grain of sand under my foot I can feel.. Can I prove it, I don’t think so. My first name is David does that mean I am a descendent of David in the bible? I am a Jew by adoption but David’s descendent I think not. The only lineage I can claim is what I receive from my Lord Jesus .JESUS IS LORD.
dajcat
dajcat, you live in an imaginary world. Again you fail to read. You fail to comprehend. You manufacture and perpetuate lies. You are the ultimate liar of the forum.
firebird ASKS if the LDS Church teaches these doctrines. Jerry tells you THEY DO NOT. THEY ARE NOT DOCTRINES OF THE LDS CHURCH. You, in all of your stupidity and emptyheadedness, knowing absolutely nothing on the subject, declare that it is a doctrine of the LDS Church. How could you possibly know anything of the sort?
Talk about birthing lies. There it is dajcat. You create lies because you hate that which you know nothing about which we all know is bigotry.
The devil has gotten a hold of you and you are fighting against God. Forget about the middle heaven. Those who wilfully and knowingly make and perpetuate lies spend the millennium in hell and end up in the lowest heaven. You’re digging your own spiritual grave.
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
a) In its early history, Mormons were taught that Jesus was married to three women - Mary Magdalene, and Mary and Martha, Lazarus’ sisters, and that He had children, and lived to see His children, and that Joseph Smith claimed to be a direct blood descendant of Jesus Christ.
Russ
this is a question that Firebird asked. Why are you jumping on me? As if I didn’t know. Chase did not refrute it. All she said was that it has not been taught and yet she ends it with He could have or maybe not.. Russ you cannot stand up against the Word of God. You can accuse me of being league with the evil one just as firebird has but I am rooted and grounded in the Word . your name calling neither hinders me or makes me blush. Rave on Russ. Your darts shall never pierce the armour I am wearing.
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 10/7/2009 Posts: 2,051
|
Russell and Jerry, After battling dajcat for the past two months, I have concluded that he is one sick puppy, lonely and desperately in need of attention. He’s alienated many people in the political and religion forums. I believe he doesn’t know what he is doing to his soul every time he lies, denies, twists facts, curses and condemns anyone who doesn’t jibe with his views. No matter what evidence is given, he has to return like a roaring lion with his own twisted version. Ever heard of engaging the devil? I suggest that since his lies, his MO and his bigotry have been fully exposed, that we just ignore him from now on. If anyone references any of his taunts, they can be given links to the evidence previously presented. What do you think? "What we do in life echoes in eternity." - Maximus
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
Question b. The teachings of the ministers in the time of Joseph Smith and certainly even today, was and is that of a Triune God. This teaching came about at the Council of Nicea. When Joseph went into the grove to pray about which church he should join, he beheld in open vision ... "two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other--THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM". Joseph learned from this encounter that God and His Son, Jesus Christ are two seperate beings. He learned that they were not Personages of spirit, but were flesh and bone.
Thank you again for your questions, please feel free to ask any others that you may have.
Jerry
As you can see by the above statement by Chase that the Mormons do believe in a Triune God. Yes 3 seperate gods , not one God in three persons as all of Christianity believes. Yes Chase I will keep posting for your sake and for those who are searching. As russ puts it shopping. Do yourself a smart thing and read that link on "why they left the Mormon Church" before it is too late for you. At least consider it.
dajcat
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 12/26/2005 Posts: 1,617
|
Quote: Originally posted by dajcat on 03 September 2008
a) In its early history, Mormons were taught that Jesus was married to three women - Mary Magdalene, and Mary and Martha, Lazarus’ sisters, and that He had children, and lived to see His children, and that Joseph Smith claimed to be a direct blood descendant of Jesus Christ.
Russ
this is a question that Firebird asked. Why are you jumping on me? As if I didn’t know. Chase did not refrute it. All she said was that it has not been taught and yet she ends it with He could have or maybe not.. Russ you cannot stand up against the Word of God. You can accuse me of being league with the evil one just as firebird has but I am rooted and grounded in the Word . your name calling neither hinders me or makes me blush. Rave on Russ. Your darts shall never pierce the armour I am wearing.
I REFUTE, I REFUTE, I REFUTE, BY THE WAY dajcat, I REFUTE
JERRY
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 6/6/2008 Posts: 2,167
|
Firebird - Thank you for your questions, I will do my best to answer them for you. Firstly I want to say that the doctrine of the church has never changed. I have read a good deal of the early history of the church, but by no means all of it, even after more than fifty years as a member.
this is Chase statement the Doctrine never changed so
Firebirds question was correct It was taught.
Ignore me if you want but I wont go away. They told Jesus that He healed by the power of Beelzabub so I am in good company. PRAISE THE LORD OH MY SOUL AND EVERYTHING THAT IS WITHIN ME. PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME.
dajcat
|
|
|
Rank: King Joined: 7/1/2008 Posts: 18,132
|
Quote: Originally posted by dajcat on 03 September 2008
PRAISE THE LORD OH MY SOUL AND EVERYTHING THAT IS WITHIN ME. PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME.
dajcat
Too bad Jesus said, "Not everyone that sayeth unto me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven."
|
|
|