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cfirebird65
#8301 Posted : Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:06:57 AM

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ixoye_8 wrote:
Firebird .. here is something for you ..

Act 16:15 And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.

there is not one instance where the Apostle refused to baptize an infant, as well as the above verse shows no partiality in age in baptism, and there very well could have been an infant in "the household" .. David as usual is just seeking to argue ..

note: this is not to you David, nor will I reply to you if you interject yourself ..

Yes, no need to reply to David. He is not interested in any evidence you show him. St. Jerome (342-420 A.D.) gave us solid advice: "Beware also of a babbling tongue and of itching ears. Neither detract from others nor listen to detractors."

Note that some people, whose infants died before they could be baptized, are apt to deny this doctrine, as if by fighting us, they can make an apostolic teaching disappear.

Thank you for your biblical gem. It made my day.

You also shared a spiritual insight on this doctrine, see P. 319, Post #6361 of this thread.

You might be interested in reading Monk's defense of this doctrine on P. 321. As non-Catholics, both you and he arrived at the same understanding as the sacred authors and patristic writers. The Holy Spirit was surely at work filling you both with His light and wisdom to accept this belief.

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Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



cfirebird65
#8302 Posted : Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:22:10 AM

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Dead Sea Scrolls

These are a collection of some eight hundred biblical and religious MSS found between 1947 and 1956 in the caves northwest of the Dead Sea near the remains of an ancient settlement called Khirbet Qumran. When the DSS were discovered, there were complete or partial copies of every book of the Hebrew Bible except Esther, along with Semitic version of the other books that are part of the Catholic and Orthodox canon of the OT (Tobit, Sirach, Baruch). Several books of the Bible survive in multiple copies or fragments: The best represented are Genesis, Deuteronomy and Isaiah. The value of the scrolls for textual scholarship is inestimable, not least because the manuscripts date to the first and second centuries B.C. There is remarkable conformity between the Masoretic Text and the majority of the biblical manuscripts found among the scrolls, despite the centuries of hand-copying that separate them. These give eloquent testimony to the rigor of Jewish scribal practice in preserving the exact wording of the Hebrew Bible, see Post #5258.

Most scholars believe that the DSS were part of the library of the Qunran community; they were likely deposited in the caves for safekeeping during the Jewish rebellion against the Roman Empire (A.D. 66-70). the war ended with the destruction of Jerusalem, and as part of the military operations, the Romans besieged Qumran and occupied it until the fall of Masada in A.D. 74, after which the site was abandoned. The scrolls thus remained forgotten in the caves, as none of the members of the community survived to reclaim them.

In 1947, two shepherds of the Bedawi Ta'amireh Bedoin tribe happened upon jars of ancient scrolls in what was later called Cave 1. The tribesmen sold the scrolls to a Bethlehem antiquities dealer, and the writings made their way by different paths to the Syrian Patriarch of Jerusalem and to Professor E.L. Sukenik, who purchased them for the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. The new owners confirmed independently of each other their authenticity. Additional scrolls began appearing over the next years, until scholars and authorities launched a formal exploration of the Qumran area caves. The excavations were directed by Fr. Ronand de Vaux of the Ecole Biblique of Jerusalem and G.L. Harding, director of Antiquities for Jordan in 1951, and from 1953 to 1956 the areas under study included the caves and the ruins of a nearby settlement in order to establish their connection. A report on the work was published in Revue Biblique followed by a final report in 1961 in L'archeologie et les manuscrits de la mer Morte.

Most of the DSS were written in Hebrew; one-fifth were in Aramaic, and a few were in Greek. Most were written on leather, some on papyrus, and one text was hammered on a roll of copper. They were written between roughly 250 B.C. and A.D. 70 - about the same period of time during which archaeologists have determined the Qumran community was occupied. Despite detractions from naysayers and the media, Christians rejoice that the findings of the DSS are not considered a threat to Christianity.

Check out Posts #7047 - #7050 for an indepth study of the DSS, from Dr. John Bergsma. He is a specialist in the OT and the DSS. Dr. Bergsma is a former Dutch Calvinist and Associate Professor of Theology at the Franciscan University of Steubenville in Ohio. He is fluent in Akkadian, Aramaic, French, German, Greek (classical), Hebrew (classical), Latin and Ugaritic.



Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



Nicolini
#8303 Posted : Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:23:43 PM

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What is your opinion on the new wording at Mass now. This is driving me nuts. Honestly changing the words in Mass isn't going to bring others closer to the Catholic Church, The continuity of the same words and a clear-speaking priest would do so much better. This is driving me nuts!
cfirebird65
#8304 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2013 1:26:43 AM

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Nicolini wrote:
What is your opinion on the new wording at Mass now. This is driving me nuts. Honestly changing the words in Mass isn't going to bring others closer to the Catholic Church, The continuity of the same words and a clear-speaking priest would do so much better. This is driving me nuts!

Hey Nic! How have you been? How is the lip salve business going? Is Min still with you? Did you know that Henny passed away? We miss her presence and wisdom.

New wording at Mass doesn't change the liturgy, only clarifies it. Any time you are at Mass, ask Jesus to touch your heart so you can understand His Word from the pulpit and in the liturgy. I guarantee that you will hear words that will resonate with something that weighs on your heart. It is very touching and personal. When distractions come, it is impossible for me to be attentive - heck, I am only human.
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Call the Archdiocese of your area and request a fluent Priest who can articulate the changes. At my parish, we had slim booklets with easy explanations which we needed to use once or twice before the words stuck in our minds. Maybe you will be lucky and get a newly-ordained, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed Priest, instead of one who is worn out from a life of sacrifice!

If you have a foreign-speaking Priest, you might want to call the rectory and suggest that his superior sponsors him for ESL classes. We have an Iraqi and a Mexican nun running religious organizations and Church programs. One could hardly understand what they were saying a year ago. Today, they speak just as well as their language instructors. They are a real blessing and encouragement to the refugee population.

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Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



martin52sharrett
#8305 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:50:57 AM

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A Vista of Autumn
Sheer beauty veils the countryside
Since autumntide is here.
The dew is sparkling everywhere
The mornings are crisp and clear.

In stretching fields,the amber grain
Waves gently to and fro.
The trailing vines bear pumpkins orange;
On cornstalks,ears hang low.

The ripened fruit dots orchid trees
On these autumnal days,
And roadside stands are everywhere
With harvest yields displayed.

The harvest moon sheds moonbeams bright
Upon the old feed mill,
While the water wheel turns 'round and 'round
Amidst the Autumn chill

The husking bees are in full swing
In barns across the land,
It is time of thanks and joy,
A time of song and dance.

Sheer beauty dons the countryside
As hearts with cheer abound
Upon God's Autumn time of year,
The time with goodness crowned.
Loise Pinkerton Fritz


Everything well here...We was withing one fourth of a mile of complete destruction.I have been running around with a broken arm for about two months.Other than that most important is everything is well with my soul.Except for all the looting going on here.Why anyone thinks God will bless them for looting is beyond me but it is the easy way out.So look for more and more of the same here and be assured God is with me no matter here or there or with dirt in my face...Love you all...
Martin Sharrett
cheriq
#8306 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:20:49 PM

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Good to hear from you, Martin! You've been on my thoughts/prayers since hearing of the super-typhoon. Hope your arm heals quickly. (My relatives on a southern island are also safe.)
Can we just admit we may have taken this 'anyone can grow up to be President' thing just a bit too far?

Remember back when Sarah Palin was the craziest person in politics? GOOD TIMES.

In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion...nice try though.

I'm going to quit asking, "How dumb can you get?" People seem to be taking it as a challenge.

KEEP TALKING. I'm diagnosing you.







martin52sharrett
#8307 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:17:02 PM

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Thanks Cheriq,it is good to hear your relatives down south are safe from the storm.Yet I say keep them in your prayers as the storm of mankind is just taking shape.
Firebird,
I have been in some very beautiful Churches here.The one in Cebu stands out in my mind the most.Cannot remember names right now but it is also famous.Also famous here about half way to Cebu City is another Church famous for miracles where Jenn and her Mom made a prayer pilgrimage.
Other than that my life is being barricaded inside my apartment right now.That is not too bad though as my apartment is much nicer than my house trailer was inside a crack neighborhood where I lived barricaded in for 7 years.
Martial law needs to be declared here I pray before alot of the emergency aids get here or the bulk of everything will just go to the same people who were looting rice wharehouses right before the storm hit.
God PLEASE in store order here.The police nor the military can do it.Only the community can do it and all I have seen so far is atrocity after atrocity being committed and the community making excuses for the most wicked.God help us
dajcat
#8308 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:44:22 PM

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I'm amazed Martin that you are able to communicate with this part of the world. I saw pictures of Cebu are the churches still standing and usable.?



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martin52sharrett
#8309 Posted : Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:16:31 PM

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Have not been back to Cebu City since the earthquake.I need to see my friend Myrna there and her family so I know for myself she and her family is okay.As far as my abilities.Like I have said we were so close to all that destruction I care not to talk about it.I can get on my motorbike and just drive right up the road if I need the reminder.Negros Oriental itself was spared from the greatest of the destruction while islands like Cebu Bohol Leyete and others were really hit hard.Cebu and Bohol also took the biggest hit from the earthquake not long ago.
Yes some of the Churches in Cebu City and Bohol took some real damage and I think are still closed.But if Martin chooses to be in his Father's House I will be there or be dead.
As soon as Jenn allows me to travel again I will go find out a few things and send back a report.Right now I am locked in my apartment as it is not safe for me to go anywhere right now.I have to go to Manila though the 21st and return the 23rd,That is rather safe as I fly to Manila.When I go to Cebu City it is by ferry and a bus.About a 5 hour trip which allows me great pleasure to enjoy all of God's goodness to these people.This is such a beautiful place and the Spainards built beautiful Churches here.Even the Chruch right here in Sibulan is quite magnificient for such a little country town as Sibulan.
I still marvel so much at this forgiveness thing Firebird.I know it is a huge emphasis for the Catholics.So for me I try to stay quite prepared so I have nothing to forgive because I call myself into question.Can I???Would I???So I try at least to listen to my wife and my friends the Sibulan Police Department and try to forget I am a Marine.To protect myself from my own destruction...HA HA HA
martin52sharrett
#8310 Posted : Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:00:31 AM

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Sweet Assurance
Life is like a storybook;
Each day a page unfolds.
We never know beforehand
What scenarios it holds.
But whatever be the drama,
Filled with bounty or with tares,
There's comfort and assurance
That our Father always cares.
Virginia Borman Grimmer
martin52sharrett
#8311 Posted : Friday, November 15, 2013 9:15:16 AM

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Please forgive me Firebird but I got something to say to put this all in perspective.Forgive...yes I will forgive.The day they hunt down the FILTHY RICH people who were looting rice wharehouses before the storm even hit and publicly HANG THEM along with ALL the people involved in this PORK BARREL scam who have done nothing but MURDER countless people over nothing more than selfishness and greed.Any one who thinks hungry people loot wharehouses.THINK AGAIN!!!It takes trucks...BIG TRUCKS to loot warehouses.Only the rich here own those trucks.So YES I will GLADLY forgive them.The day I see them dancing in air.
But realistically the pork barrel scam is only for BOTH sides to become hollywood movie stars.And the people who THRIVE on the misery of others will FLOURISH.It is the way of the world.
Yes there is a God.Yes ONLY God can make this right.Yes this Catholic country DESPERATELY NEEDS ALL THE HELP IT CAN GET.
Lord Jesus PLEASE HELP these Thy people in Your country of Catholics.And along with all the outside help PLEASE Lord Jesus teach these people to learn to help themselves

martin52sharrett
#8312 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:41:52 PM

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Firebird,I will share with you now what I have discovered.Leyete and especially Tacloban is completely controled by the Marcos family.So it is easy for me to understand now why whole rice wharehouses were looted right before the storm.The lady needed some more shoes.They can claim the lose of the rice on their insurance and sell the rice for huge profits.This is all just typical Marcos family behavior.
So be assurred Firebird I am still working on this forgiveness thing.All is NOT alright just because everyone else saves the Philippnes again.And take a GOOD look at who in America invites them to dinner.
Because you can be assurred the young are going to college in America on scolarships that were earmarked for the poor.
This world is a sick joke sometimes.God forgive us!!!
cfirebird65
#8313 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:09:48 AM

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martin52sharrett wrote:
Firebird,I will share with you now what I have discovered.Leyete and especially Tacloban is completely controled by the Marcos family.So it is easy for me to understand now why whole rice wharehouses were looted right before the storm.The lady needed some more shoes.They can claim the lose of the rice on their insurance and sell the rice for huge profits.This is all just typical Marcos family behavior.
So be assurred Firebird I am still working on this forgiveness thing.All is NOT alright just because everyone else saves the Philippnes again.And take a GOOD look at who in America invites them to dinner.
Because you can be assurred the young are going to college in America on scolarships that were earmarked for the poor.
This world is a sick joke sometimes.God forgive us!!!

Hi Martin, hope your broken arm is mending and that you and Jenn are able to get your lives back to normal after the typhoon.

Yes, who can forget Imelda's excesses - 1,060 shoes, 15 mink coats, 508 gowns and 1,000 handbags? From what you describe, it appears that Bongbong's tentacles are trying to grab power and wealth again. Imelda is canvassing for his election in 2016. Although the media reports that Aquino has done much to stamp out the previous regime's corruption although large pockets of it remain endemic. Because of his efforts, the country has become an investor darling thanks to strong growth and his anti-graft drive. Keep praying for him to continue providing good, strong leadership, Martin. There appear to be many forces working against him, but you never know how prayer can change hearts.

The Filipino nurses who work here in Boston came on a quota system to fill a need for skilled nursing help. They are reputed to be excellent caregivers with wonderful bedside manners. A number of them head the nursing departments at our teaching hospitals and are diligent in meeting the high accreditation standards. Several of them are community activists and others are very involved in Church ministry. They offer warm hospitality to the local parishioners, especially on feast days, with ethnic cuisine, music and colorful costumes. They are seen as productive members of society. In fact, it is rare for a Filipino to be on welfare. In my experience as a homeless shelter volunteer, I have never seen a Filipino resident in any of them.


Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



cfirebird65
#8314 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 4:53:27 AM

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This Bears Repeating - Individual Interpretation of Scripture Can Lead to Misunderstanding and Confusion

The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name - He will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you, John 14:26 (NAB)


The usual interpretation of this verse by Bible only adherents is that this promise was given to each and every believer. The result has been that there are now over 44,800 different Protestant denominations/non-denominations/sects/cults with different individual interpretations of Scripture which have caused doctrinal misunderstandings and conflicts.

Ask yourself, how could each and every individual person’s faith rest on personal devotional Bible reading, when most people, until relatively modern times, couldn’t even read? And even if they could read, they wouldn’t be able to own their own personal Bible because Bibles were hand-copied (until the 16th century) which made them very expensive to own.

Personal devotional Bible reading and the right to individual judgment and authority of personal interpretation is a modern concept since the reformation. The Catholic Church has been reading Scripture to the faithful at every Mass for over 2000 years from consistent teachings from a) the apostolic deposit of faith, supported by b) Scripture and c) the authority of the Sacred Magesterium. These three pillars ensured doctrinal certitude and stability, and unity of worship. In the OT, we see a precedent for the three pillars a) Oral tradition; b) Scripture and c) Moses' magesterial authority. Protestants have only two pillars - personal interpretation and sola scriptura which does not give any guarantee of doctrinal certitude.

If you read the above scriptural passage again in the context it was given, Jesus was addressing this remark ONLY TO HIS TWELVE APOSTLES in the Upper Room. Therefore, His remark applied only to them and to their successors.

Without the final, ruling authority of Christ through His earthly shepherd, the Bishop of Rome, and the teaching authority of the Magesterium, the Catholic Church would splinter into even more division than Protestantism.

Our Heavenly Father is the God of law and order. In the OT, He appointed Moses as His earthly shepherd, and gave him His teaching authority to impart His Word with fidelity, consistency and unity in the application of His laws.

In the NT, we learn how Jesus appointed Peter as His earthly shepherd, and authorized him to feed His sheep and lambs and to teach all that He taught him and His Apostles, that His Church would be protected from the gates of hell until the end of time - that includes doctrinal error.

Christ's teachings have continued on in the Catholic Church for 2,000 years under:

a) The leadership of the Bishop of Rome;

b) Through the teaching authority of the Sacred Magesterium from God's Word which includes apostolic Tradition and Scripture;

c) And through the unbroken lineage of apostolic succession.



Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



martin52sharrett
#8315 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:02:13 AM

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Hi Martin, hope your broken arm is mending and that you and Jenn are able to get your lives back to normal after the typhoon.

Yes, who can forget Imelda's excesses - 1,060 shoes, 15 mink coats, 508 gowns and 1,000 handbags? From what you describe, it appears that Bongbong's tentacles are trying to grab power and wealth again. Imelda is canvassing for his election in 2016. Although the media reports that Aquino has done much to stamp out the previous regime's corruption although large pockets of it remain endemic. Because of his efforts, the country has become an investor darling thanks to strong growth and his anti-graft drive. Keep praying for him to continue providing good, strong leadership, Martin. There appear to be many forces working against him, but you never know how prayer can change hearts.

The Filipino nurses who work here in Boston came on a quota system to fill a need for skilled nursing help. They are reputed to be excellent caregivers with wonderful bedside manners. A number of them head the nursing departments at our teaching hospitals and are diligent in meeting the high accreditation standards. Several of them are community activists and others are very involved in Church ministry. They offer warm hospitality to the local parishioners, especially on feast days, with ethnic cuisine, music and colorful costumes. They are seen as productive members of society. In fact, it is rare for a Filipino to be on welfare. In my experience as a homeless shelter volunteer, I have never seen a Filipino resident in any of them.

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Firebird,you have hit the nail right on the head,
The LAST I heard was that American hospitals are given 25,000 visas a year for these nurses.And yes of course they are the best of the best.Just remember though.When we deal with foreign countries it is them that first do the screening process.Then the names are given to our immigration.This leaves room for a huge amount of corruption and has nothing to do with the way they advertise for funds in America.Probably the biggest fund taken advantage of is the college schlorships.It is just about impossible to help the poor in any country unless you do it directly yourself.Because anytime any real money is involved the foreign country is the first to do the screening...
I am just begging all Catholics every where to keep this country in it's prayers.The storm did enough damage.I am just trying to inform my friends of the rest of the story.There is so many good people here.YES!!!Yet tolerance from them goes to the point that they very much stub their own toes.For me-I am only confined to my little compound here.No real big deal except I give up alot of freedom.Too much when things happen here.This place turns into the WILD WILD WEST...Where no matter what happens everything is oppurtunity and predators prey on the weak.Just this afternoon I sat in a chair right outside my compound gate and observed two young men walking down the street with straight razors like barbers use on there way to the park hid behind their back.If I saw it others saw it.If these things are tolerated then little old ladies loose their purse with there throat slit sometimes raped.Fact of life Firebird.Do you realize a Philippno has NEVER been found guilty of murdering ANY foriegner.Taiwan and the Philippnes almost went to war over this not long ago.So YES OF COURSE there needs to be forgiveness.But somewhere in there being held accountable needs to be done also.If not then always at least double the amount of dead done by ANY tragedy as tragedies are looked at as nothing but oppurtunity by way to many people.And why not.Lawlessness pays!!!Lord help us
cheriq
#8316 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:02:25 AM

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cfirebird65 wrote:

The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name - He will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you, John 14:26 (NAB)



If you read the above scriptural passage again in the context it was given, Jesus was addressing this remark ONLY TO HIS TWELVE APOSTLES in the Upper Room. Therefore, His remark applied only to them and to their successors.



From a historic view, we find that in John 13, Judas had left the group, thus there were eleven apostles in the room when he said this to them as reported in John 14. Of those, only three (Matthew, Peter & John) are thought to have authored the books in the NT canon. (Just saying.)

Can we just admit we may have taken this 'anyone can grow up to be President' thing just a bit too far?

Remember back when Sarah Palin was the craziest person in politics? GOOD TIMES.

In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion...nice try though.

I'm going to quit asking, "How dumb can you get?" People seem to be taking it as a challenge.

KEEP TALKING. I'm diagnosing you.







cfirebird65
#8317 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:23:49 AM

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cheriq wrote:
cfirebird65 wrote:

The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name - He will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you, John 14:26 (NAB)

If you read the above scriptural passage again in the context it was given, Jesus was addressing this remark ONLY TO HIS TWELVE APOSTLES in the Upper Room. Therefore, His remark applied only to them and to their successors.

From a historic view, we find that in John 13, Judas had left the group, thus there were eleven apostles in the room when he said this to them as reported in John 14. Of those, only three (Matthew, Peter & John) are thought to have authored the books in the NT canon. (Just saying.)

There is a large chunk of history missing from that historic POV - from the Last Supper and the time the writings were collected from different places (although none of the sacred authors knew that their writings would be canonized). This valuable piece of history reveals the Church's determination to write the New Testament, select the writings that were considered inspired with apostolic and doctrinal content and omit those that were spurious. Then of course, there are the important deliberations of the Council that met to declare the OT/NT canon.

Also missing from consideration was that the Church came at least 400 years BEFORE the Bible, the Church made binding decisions in the apostolic era through its earthly government long before the Bible because Jesus gave the Church His authority to bind and loose. The earliest writing we have of a papal encyclical was from Pope St. Clement in A.D. 90, who is mentioned in the Bible. There is evidence of a living, thriving and vital community of believers coming together on the Lord's Day to break bread and give alms to the poor - when they were not being hunted down and killed.

Not everything regarding the faith is found in the Bible nor did Jesus or the Apostles ever make such claim or refer us to the Bible which we have today - but to the Church He established and called the pillar and ground of truth. We have ancient MSS supporting the work of the early Church including binding decisions including the doctrine on apostolic succession and Matthias' replacement of Judas. The Church is mostly mentioned in the Book of Acts. It is not built on Bible alone opinions otherwise she would have long ago divided into oblivion.

RollEyes


Psalm 51:7 (NAB) "Behold, I was born in guilt, In sin my mother conceived me." This verse tells us that we are conceived in the iniquity of sin, hence the need to baptize infants.

Mt.19:14-15 "LET THE LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME." Jesus did not exclude infants from His salvific graces nor put any age requirement on the Sacrament of Baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 "Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you AND TO YOUR CHILDREN". This verse includes children, even infants. Intellectual assent by infants and children under the age of reason was not required in the NT.

"Baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living water [that is, in running water, as in a river]. If there is no living water, baptize in other water; and, if you are not able to use cold water, use warm. If you have neither, pour water three times upon the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Ch. 7, The Didache on 'Baptism, A.D. 70

"The Church has received from the Apostles the custom of administering Baptism even to infants.....all are tainted with the stain of original sin, which must be washed off by water and the Spirit." Origen (185-254 A.D) on 'Baptism,' Alexandrian, Philosopher, Theologian and Writer



cheriq
#8318 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:22:38 PM

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cfirebird65 wrote:
cheriq wrote:
cfirebird65 wrote:

The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name - He will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you, John 14:26 (NAB)

If you read the above scriptural passage again in the context it was given, Jesus was addressing this remark ONLY TO HIS TWELVE APOSTLES in the Upper Room. Therefore, His remark applied only to them and to their successors.

From a historic view, we find that in John 13, Judas had left the group, thus there were eleven apostles in the room when he said this to them as reported in John 14. Of those, only three (Matthew, Peter & John) are thought to have authored the books in the NT canon. (Just saying.)

There is a large chunk of history missing from that historic POV - from the Last Supper and the time the writings were collected from different places (although none of the sacred authors knew that their writings would be canonized). EXACTLY! This valuable piece of history reveals the Church's determination to write the New Testament, select the writings that were considered inspired with apostolic and doctrinal content and omit those that were spurious. Then of course, there are the important deliberations of the Council that met to declare the OT/NT canon.

Also missing from consideration was that the Church came at least 400 years BEFORE the Bible, the Church made binding decisions in the apostolic era through its earthly government long before the Bible because Jesus gave the Church His authority to bind and loose. The earliest writing we have of a papal encyclical was from Pope St. Clement in A.D. 90, who is mentioned in the Bible. I wasn't aware of this! But, I find it in Phl 4:3 There is evidence of a living, thriving and vital community of believers coming together on the Lord's Day to break bread and give alms to the poor - when they were not being hunted down and killed.

Not everything regarding the faith is found in the Bible nor did Jesus or the Apostles ever make such claim or refer us to the Bible which we have today - Exactly! Jesus gave no indication that he expected his words to be transmited in print! but to the Church He established and called the pillar and ground of truth. We have ancient MSS supporting the work of the early Church including binding decisions including the doctrine on apostolic succession and Matthias' replacement of Judas. The Church is mostly mentioned in the Book of Acts. It is not built on Bible alone opinions otherwise she would have long ago divided into oblivion.

RollEyes



I've read theories that Matthias DID write - but, this seems to be considered spurious - not authentic, as he is claimed to have been sympathetic to a few of the gnostic ideas.
Can we just admit we may have taken this 'anyone can grow up to be President' thing just a bit too far?

Remember back when Sarah Palin was the craziest person in politics? GOOD TIMES.

In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion...nice try though.

I'm going to quit asking, "How dumb can you get?" People seem to be taking it as a challenge.

KEEP TALKING. I'm diagnosing you.







cheriq
#8319 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:31:00 PM

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The New Advent had an entry on Matthias that illustrates WHY he would have been claimed to have had gnostic leanings:

"Clement of Alexandria (Stromata III.4) records a sentence that the Nicolaitans ascribe to Matthias: "we must combat our flesh, set no value upon it, and concede to it nothing that can flatter it, but rather increase the growth of our soul by faith and knowledge".

This teaching was probably found in the Gospel of Matthias which was mentioned by Origen (Hom. i in Lucam); by Eusebius (Church History III.25), who attributes it to heretics; by St. Jerome (Praef. in Matth.), and in the Decree of Gelasius (VI, 8) which declares it apocryphal. It is at the end of the list of the Codex Barrocciamus (206). This Gospel is probably the document whence Clement of Alexandria quoted several passages, saying that they were borrowed from the traditions of Matthias, Paradoseis, the testimony of which he claimed to have been invoked by the heretics Valentinus, Marcion, and Basilides (Stromata VII.17). According to the Philosophoumena, VII, 20, Basilides quoted apocryphal discourses, which he attributed to Matthias. These three writings: the gospel, the Traditions, and the Apocryphal Discourses were identified by Zahn (Gesch. des N. T. Kanon, II, 751), but Harnack (Chron. der altchrist. Litteratur, 597) denies this identification. Tischendorf ("Acta apostolorum apocrypha", Leipzig, 1851) published after Thilo, 1846, "Acta Andreae et Matthiae in urbe anthropophagarum", which, according to Lipsius, belonged to the middle of the second century. This apocrypha relates that Matthias went among the cannibals and, being cast into prison, was delivered by Andrew. Needless to say, the entire narrative is without historical value. Moreover, it should be remembered that, in the apocryphal writings, Matthew and Matthias have sometimes been confounded. "

I need to see what I can find on the "Nicolaitans" - I did this once, but it has been many years ago.
Can we just admit we may have taken this 'anyone can grow up to be President' thing just a bit too far?

Remember back when Sarah Palin was the craziest person in politics? GOOD TIMES.

In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion...nice try though.

I'm going to quit asking, "How dumb can you get?" People seem to be taking it as a challenge.

KEEP TALKING. I'm diagnosing you.







cheriq
#8320 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:38:00 PM

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New Advent on Nicolaitans:

Nicolaites

(Also called Nicolaitans), a sect mentioned in the Apocalypse (2:6-15) as existing in Ephesus, Pergamus, and other cities of Asia Minor, about the character and existence of which there is little certainty. Irenaeus (Against Heresies I.26.3 and III.11.1) discusses them but adds nothing to the Apocalypse except that "they lead lives of unrestrained indulgence." Tertullian refers to them, but apparently knows only what is found in St. John (On Prescription against Heretics 33; Against Marcion I.29; On Pudicity 17). Hippolytus based his narrative on Irenaeus, though he states that the deacon Nicholas was the author of the heresy and the sect (Philosph., VII, xxvi). Clement of Alexandria (Stromata III.4) exonerates Nicholas, and attributes the doctrine of promiscuity, which the sect claimed to have derived from him, to a malicious distortion of words harmless in themselves. With the exception of the statement in Eusebius (Church History III.29) that the sect was short-lived, none of the references in Epiphanius, Theodoret etc. deserve mention, as they are taken from Irenaeus. The common statement, that the Nicolaites held the antinomian heresy of Corinth, has not been proved. Another opinion, favoured by a number of authors, is that, because of the allegorical character of the Apocalypse, the reference to the Nicolaitans is merely a symbolic manner of reference, based on the identical meaning of the names, to the Bileamites or Balaamites (Revelation 2:14) who are mentioned just before them as professing the same doctrines.i


My personal notion: It seems to me that both Irenaeus and Eusebius were both rather paranoid about "heresies" - and their "deal" was to root them out, much as Paul had rooted out those who'd become pariahs (heretical) to the Jews.

I think it is THEIR writings that have given the idea that "gnostics" thought all physical/material was evil due to creation by the demiurge of the OT, rather than the REAL God - the God, that Jesus portrayed. That they had orgies, etc due to thinking the flesh was "evil" is not particularly logical to me. I'd not be suprised to see some spinning and stretches by those writers.
Can we just admit we may have taken this 'anyone can grow up to be President' thing just a bit too far?

Remember back when Sarah Palin was the craziest person in politics? GOOD TIMES.

In order to insult me, I must first value your opinion...nice try though.

I'm going to quit asking, "How dumb can you get?" People seem to be taking it as a challenge.

KEEP TALKING. I'm diagnosing you.







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