The idea in 19th century writings that the Pope was the anti-Christ originated with Luther because of his anger towards two evil Popes. He came up with a doctrine, Faith Alone which the Catholic Church refused to accept since it contradicted Jesus’ teachings.(posted by Nic Oct 7 page 2)

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It’s not important Nic but here is where i got the idea



Have a good God Sunday. Here in Canada monday is our Thanksgiving Day. I’ve got a good book for you

it is called World Changers and comes with a DVD Movie "Amazing Grace."  It is the story ofWiliam Wilberforce’s struggle to get slavery banished in the UK. I don’t want to publish rhe ministry that is making it available as i don’t want people to think i’m plugging ministriesso if you want the name i will email it to you. They will send it to you for what ever you can afford to send them. There is no specific price on it. david 

That’s like, twice already on this thread. David. Check the names of who posts. I’m mailing you new reading glasses. You’re worrying me

Some people in this thread must be terribly weighted down with responsibility seeing as how they constantly judge others and have appointed THEMSELVES as having the final say on matters Scriptural.

When it comes to revelations in Scripture, I believe it can be safely said there's hundreds of revelations, if not a thousand or two. If nothing else revelatory materials in the Bible are notice to us, as has already been pointed out by another writer on this thread, to be always ready for the coming for Christ! Unfortunately, some Biblical revelatory passages/books have been taken out of context or misconstrued by numerous programs on the boob tube (television) and any number of writers looking to make a quick dollar by writing a book with an attention grabbing title.

As for the European Union being the reincarnation of the Roman Empire, let's look at the United States first. The Roman Empire fell under its' own weight of debt, high taxes, abuse of citizens by curtailing any freedoms they enjoyed, and failure to address in any serious manner the corruption within its' government. Sound familiar? If anyone is emulating the Roman Empire with any accuracy at all it is the USA. In all honesty, I don't need scripture to tell me about this. All I need is a good high school history book!
Rob

Rob, although what you have described certainly sounds like the USA we cannot ignore what scripture and prophecy state, Daniel gives a very vivid and true picture of the events that were to come. The vision of the Iron feet mixed with clay was a prophecy of a rebirth of the Roman empire. Revelations talks about 10 nations coming together (the European Union) which for the most part were part of the old Roman Empire. It also states that out of that Union will come the Anti Christ. Kissenger claims that Obama is being groomed to become President of the European Union. We don't know who the Anti christ will be (He will not be revealed until after the church is raptured) but the bible states he will rise out of the Union. david



interesting tho that Karl Marx stated "we will never have to go to war with the US. They will eventually bankrupt themselves into communism."

This explains the Rapture Index much better according to the prophecies- Sally


THE RAPTURE INDEX CATEGORIES EXPLAINED

1. False Christs

(Mat.24:24) Jesus talked about false Christs and false prophets. A
false Christ is anyone who claims to be equal to or greater than God.
The realization that an individual is placing himself in the role of
deity is not always easy to discern.

2. Occult

There are two supernatural forces in the universe that are able to
affect the natural world. God said that prayer is the only valid means
of getting his attention, and he forbids using occultic devices. Who
do you think will answer the inquiries using taro cards, astrology,
or psychic phone lines?

3. Satanism

Satanism is one of the more difficult categories there is to track.
It has always been a shadowy topic. The devil's followers are very
secretive in their actions and cryptic in the writings they publish.


4. Unemployment

The result of poor economic conditions. Unrest, Crime, and social
change are effected more by job loss than any other economic factor.
As warm water is the life blood to the development of a hurricane,
unemployment is the energy for civil unrest and political upheaval.

5. Inflation

Inflation leads to higher interest rates, unemployment, and the loss
of buying power. Back in the 20's and 30's the collapse of the German
government was mostly do to hyper inflation. It was also a major
factor in the rise of Hitler.

6. Interest Rates

The fluctuation of rates are what steers the economy. When people
make decisions in the market place, they're unknowingly guided by
interest rates. The economy will generally move in the same direction
the interest rates move.

7. The Economy

How well an economy is doing determines the stability of a nation.
History tells that most movements toward war, dictatorship, and
Lawlessness is aided by unfavorable financial conditions.

8. Oil Supply/Price

Oil remains an economic and a political issue. We fought The War in
the Gulf because of petroleum’s strategic importance. The final
battle of Armageddon may also involve a dispute over oil.

9. Debt and Trade

In almost all countries there's a ballooning of public and private
debt. Trade is an underestimated factor in the health of economies.
The tariffs of the 30's did more mischief than speculators on Wall
street. As time passes, the economies of the world will become more
interdependent on each other. Any disruptions in trade could effect
every nation.

10. Financial Unrest

A crash followed by a depression is the most severe economic condition
a nation can experieince. In almost all occurrences were a country has
endured economic hardship, social and financial changes have taken
place. The forces of darkness must be biding their time waiting for
fiscal despair. Few people realize the downpayments we made on
enslavement during the last depression, and the seeds we planted
are soon to reap a harvest of calamity.

11. Leadership

As events transpire it's important to gauge how organized the events
are. Random happenings may not repeat themselves, while events
governed by leadership progress to over come barriers. Leadership
could come in the form of a drug cartel funneling drugs into a country,
or it could be something like the melting of the ice caps, creating the
concern for coastal floods.

12. Drug Abuse

(Rev. 9:21) Everyone knows what drugs are today. The Bible also may
make mention of drugs. In the book of Revelation the word sorcery
has the Greek word pharmakeia as its root. This is where we get the
word pharmacy. When it says, "they repented not of their sorceries,"
it could mean they repented not of their drug use.

13. Apostasy

(2 John 1:7) Simple abandoning or defecting from the faith. This can
come in the form of staying up with the times, a new revelation from
God, or turning to other religions all together.

14. Supernatural

(Rev.13:13-14) When something occurs and science cannot explain it.
The Bible says during the tribulation, the Antichrist will be able
to deceive the world through the performance of miracles.

15. Moral Standards

This is the fabric which holds our society together. When a state of
disorder takes over, strong forces are needed to bring back control.
Civil rights are often the first casualty of this action.

16. Anti-Christian

(2 Tim.3:3) A bias or hatred of bible believing Christian.
Media are the primary contributors to this category.

17. Crime Rate

An insecure society looks for a strongman. As crime proliferates, it
eats away at the nations moral and economic underpinnings. A nation
with a high crime rate will eventually have less freedom because of
the police state the unrest it brings on. High crime rates originates
from low moral standards.

18. Ecumenism

The movement to join all religions into one. This has been a goal of
the Devil for sometime. By having all religions unified, he could more
easily control their leadership.

19. Globalism

The breaking down of barriers increases the number of alliances, and
it making the world more integrated.

20. Tribulation Temple

(2 Thes.2:3-4),(Dan.9:27) If the Antichrist will sit in God's temple,
it is logical to conclude the temple must be rebuilt. Daniel foretold
that he will also stop the daily sacrifice.

21. Anti-Semitism

(Rev 12:13) When Satan is cast from heaven, he persecutes the Jewish
race because through them Jesus was born.

22. Israel Unrest

(Zec.12:3) This category tracks the strife in the Israeli state. God
said, "I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the people."
What other city attracts more news coverage than this one? Israel is
the size of New Jersey, yet it averages the attention of more press
than a country the size of Russia.

23. Russia (Gog)

(Eze.38-39) Gog is the ancient name for the land of Russia. In the
last days, Russia will make a move against Israel and be defeated by
a supernatural act of God.

24. Persia (Iran)

(Eze.38:5) Iran will aid Russia in attacking Israel before or during
the tribulation. Even now, Iran acts as a destabilizing force in the
world.

25. False Prophet

(Rev.13:12) The Antichrist will have a religious leader to aid him.
The False Prophet will direct the world to worship the Antichrist.
There has long been a belief that a future pope will have some
Connection to the designation “false prophet” because of the pope’s
great influence. The Antichrist and the False Prophet will be
headquartered in the same area As was occupied by the Old Roman Empire.

26. Nuclear Nations

(Rev.9:18) The use of nuclear armament during the tribulation will
kill over 1/3 of the human population. Only in our time –with the
nuclear arsenals-- does it seem possible this could happen.

27. Global Turmoil

(2 TIM.3:1) There has always been unrest in the world. However, the
tremendous level of unrest is unique to our time. Terrorism has been
redefined in the twentieth century. Today, more wars take place concurrently
then at any point in the past.

28. Arms Proliferation

(Mat.24:6),(Rev.16:16) Jesus said there would be "wars and rumors of
wars." The armament trade is not going out of business anytime soon.
In fact, it will soon supply the biggest conflict in human history,
the battle of Armageddon.

29. Liberalism

It's not just a part of the Democrat Party. liberalism is what could be
called the "true conspiracy." Liberal media are 100 percent
controlled by the forces that bow to humanistic ideology.

30. Peace Process

(Dan.9:27) This refers directly to Bible prophecy, where the state
of Israel signs a peace treaty with the Antichrist.

31. Kings of the East

(Rev.9:16),(Dan 11:44) These are the nations of East Asia which
will send a horde of 200 million soldiers into the Middle East.

32. Mark of the Beast

(Rev.13:16) The economic system the Antichrist will implement. It
will be compulsory, for all, to receive an implant in their right
hand or forehead.

33. Beast Government

(Rev.17:12) The Roman Empire will revive under the leadership of Ten
rulers. This revived Roman Empire will exist for only 7 years.
(Rev.17:13),(Rev 13:5) After the Roman Empire has been revived for
3 1/2 years into a seven year rule, the Antichrist will take over and
rule for the remaining 3 1/2 years.

34. The Antichrist

(Dan.11:36-39) The most evil and destructive man who will ever hold
public office.

35. Date Setting

To create confusion ahead of Christs return, Satan will likely
continue to motivate people to set dates. Being exposed to
date settings, observably makes non-Christians hostile to
the end-time message.

36. Volcanoes

(Mat.24:7) Not mentioned specifically, volcanic eruptions fall into
the birth pang theme Matthew described. Volcanoes have an ecological
impact that effects other indicators.

37. Earthquakes

Mark 13:8) God used earthquakes to show his disapproval of man’s
sinfulness. It is wise to look for more earthquake activity as the
return of Christ draws near.

38. Wild Weather

(Luke 21:25) The description of the sea and the waves roaring would
encompass all cyclonic activity.

39. Civil Rights

To have a dictator, there must be a shortage of civil rights, and of
human rights. The time a people least expect their losing their freedom
is when they are willingly giving it up.

40. Famine

(Mark 13:8),(Rev.6:6) Famines are a result of drought, a consequence
of war, or are man made entirely. During the time of the tribulation,
a days wage will be equal to a loaf of bread.

41. Drought

(Mat. 24:7) Another one of the birth pangs Jesus described, drought
leads to famine or poor economic conditions.

42. Plagues

Some Plagues come as a result of man's sin against nature like aids
while others come as a curse directly from God.

43. Climate

(Mat. 24:7) Jesus foretold of an increase in the severity of weather
events as a sign of the end times. The extremities of nature are
difficult to measure. Any activity that goes beyond normal weather
patterns should be taken into consideration, that is, whether God
has a warning behind it.

44. Food Supply

(Rev.6:6) Historically this has been a volatile indicator. That fact
that we have been able to keep food production ahead of our booming
population is not any guarantee of future success. A severe drought
could disrupt order in small if not large countries.


45. Floods

(Gen 6:7) Just like is was in Noah's time, devistateing floods are a
sign of God's wrath against man's evil ways.

Just a note for a FYI--

The economic problems last year that started the housing problems and foreclosers that we've experience resulted from a 1% economic shift that caused Banks to close so much. Imagine when all the Christians who have credit card balances and mortages on their homes -- Suddenly disappear. The chaos in the Money market will be a disaster all over the world. Not to mention the physical messes to clean up when cars, trucks and even airplanes are without their drivers. Making it ripe for someone to SAVE those left behind-- with a One World Money system, a One World Government and then a One world Religion. Another thought: who will be the leaders in the churches -- The unbelievers and the unsaved. HOPEFULLY many will have access to the printed material we left, the Bibles, printed books, videos and the memories of people who tried to tell them the Gospel. Many WILL become Christians at that time and MANY will follow the Antichrist who will say he'll fix everything and lead them down the path to Hell.
We need to pray for those people who won't listen to us now-- Sally