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 Rank: Rook Joined: 1/8/2006 Posts: 432
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My copy of windows 7 is suppose to be here today. Any Idia's for best results coming from windows XP Home 32 bit going to windows 7 ? I have never installed an opperating system before. Also is there a way I can check the compatibility of my other programs I have installed and like useing with my XP to see if they will work with Windows7 before I reformat my hard drive with XP and all the programs on it. One more question is my backup DVD's I've made of my intire C drive useless after formating?
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 Rank: Queen  Joined: 8/5/2009 Posts: 592 Location: *TEXAS*
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PLEeeeeASe don't destroy a perfictly good XP with anything else.I want to try W7 as much as anyone but... XP is the most stable O/S they have made and you'll be sorry if You destroy it. (It still has security support 'tl 2013 or so). Try it on Vista or something NOT on XP,PLEASE. You'll have to do a full,Clean and install with XP You can upgrade vista.     DISCLAIMER:This is my opinion & is in no way influenced by your opinion or the truth. Nothin' sucks more than... The moment during an argument when you realize your wrong.
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 Rank: Rook Joined: 2/6/2006 Posts: 411
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Should be simple enough, right? . Check --> here.Sorry to disappoint, but Beaudro may be on to something. Have a look at MS's own instructions for upgrade and see if that's the tar-pit you want to wind up in. Here is the first paragraph. "Introduction
To upgrade your PC from Windows XP to Windows 7, you'll need to select the Custom option during Windows 7 installation. A custom installation doesn't preserve your programs, files, or settings. It's sometimes called a "clean" installation for that reason.
A custom installation is more complex, and it can sometimes take a couple of hours to complete. We created this five-step tutorial to help guide you through the entire process each step of the way."In spite of what is claimed, the couple of hours referred to is just the installation of Win7 and does not include reinstallation of applications, drivers (if any), antivirals and all your data. It also requires downloading and running the Win7 "upgrade advisor" prior to anything to let you know if there are any compatibility issues. Also, you may need to run the "easy transfer" software if you want Win7 to save your data in a single file format that is readeable by Win7 after installation. Just copying your data to an external drive or DVD/CD's may not guarantee that all your data will be recoverable by Win7 in the format you are expecting. Hope the best for you. Please let us know how it works out.
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 Rank: King  Joined: 8/5/2009 Posts: 2,281 Location: The Great State of Ohio
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Oh please, pretty please, don't forget scouring the InterNet for new drivers for all your hardware. Don't Tread On Me!
The price of freedom is constant vigilance.
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 Rank: King  Joined: 8/5/2009 Posts: 2,763 Location: lost in state of complete confusion
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IF you are not having problems, why rush? Might as well wait for the first Service Pack for Windows 7 to come out...
But for those who are having problems, I know of several people who upgraded from Vista to beta-Windows & and every single one was absolutely thrilled... but remember they were thrilled in comparison to Vista. They probably had forgotten what XP was like.
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 Rank: Rook Joined: 2/6/2006 Posts: 411
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Some of the better features available in newer Windows versions are coming from UNIX and Linux, such as secure administrative tasks and antiviral security. These features have been available and time tested in Linux for years, whereas MS is still working out the kinks in their implementation of these features.
If you are not chained to a couple of specific Winapps (that might have a suitable replacement under Linux), you might consider giving a go at a Linux LiveCD. It's free and you can try it without installing to your hard drive. It will boot and run slower than installed (because it has to be decompressed on the fly) but it will automatically check hdwr compatibility and give you a fully functioning desktop with Office Suite, photomanagement, FireFox web browser, games, pdf viewers, image manipulation software and lots more in about 7 minutes from loading it into your CD tray.
If you like what you see, and your hdwr is compatible, you can have it installed to your HD complete with all the applications and drivers in about 15-20 minutes. After installation, Linux boots fast and will never slow down like other systems do after being loaded with applications, user data and antiviral software. Also, there are no known effective viruses attacking Linux so no messing around with antivirals. A couple of good Linux versions to try would be PCLinuxOS, Mandriva and Ubuntu in that order. You can try these with or without Win7 installed.
Whatever you decide, good luck.
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 Rank: King  Joined: 8/5/2009 Posts: 2,763 Location: lost in state of complete confusion
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lil wrote:Some of the better features available in newer Windows versions are coming from UNIX and Linux, such as secure administrative tasks and antiviral security. These features have been available and time tested in Linux for years, whereas MS is still working out the kinks in their implementation of these features.
If you are not chained to a couple of specific Winapps (that might have a suitable replacement under Linux), you might consider giving a go at a Linux LiveCD. It's free and you can try it without installing to your hard drive. It will boot and run slower than installed (because it has to be decompressed on the fly) but it will automatically check hdwr compatibility and give you a fully functioning desktop with Office Suite, photomanagement, FireFox web browser, games, pdf viewers, image manipulation software and lots more in about 7 minutes from loading it into your CD tray.
If you like what you see, and your hdwr is compatible, you can have it installed to your HD complete with all the applications and drivers in about 15-20 minutes. After installation, Linux boots fast and will never slow down like other systems do after being loaded with applications, user data and antiviral software. Also, there are no known effective viruses attacking Linux so no messing around with antivirals. A couple of good Linux versions to try would be PCLinuxOS, Mandriva and Ubuntu in that order. You can try these with or without Win7 installed.
Whatever you decide, good luck. For lil and other Linux fans,
Can you give any more info on these different versions of Linux (PCLinuxOS, Mandriva and Ubuntu)?
Are they each for different purposes? Do any of them play nice with MS Office '07, Home and Student?
How difficult is it to have 2 different O/S's on the same hard drive?
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 Rank: King  Joined: 8/5/2009 Posts: 2,281 Location: The Great State of Ohio
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Ubuntu is probably the most popular amongst the more casual user who wants a well polished product. I don't know enough about the others lil mentioned, so I'll keep my mouth shut. Others to consider are Fedora (currently Fedora11), and Suse. Each of these distributions probably has different versions (I know Fedora and Ubuntu do) like desktop, workstation, and server, depending on what you want to do with them. There are programs out there which will let you rum a Windows program on a Linux machine but they don't always work perfectly so be sure to research the program on the Internet first. There is a perfectly acceptable substitute for MS Office which is often bundled with a Linux distro. It is OpenOffice. It is not quite as polished but it can often read MS Office documents and write in a form which Office can read. It is not difficult to install Linux on a Windows hard drive. You just have to do your homework and make sure you understand what you're doing before you do it. Even simpler if you can install a second (internal) hard drive and give Linux its own drive. Don't Tread On Me!
The price of freedom is constant vigilance.
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 Rank: Queen  Joined: 8/9/2009 Posts: 571
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lpast wrote:It is not difficult to install Linux on a Windows hard drive. You just have to do your homework and make sure you understand what you're doing before you do it. Even simpler if you can install a second (internal) hard drive and give Linux its own drive. With Ubuntu (and perhaps some other distros), these days you really don't even have to "do your homework." Or at least not much. I think all you have to do is tell the installer you want it to shrink the MS Windows partition and install Ubuntu, and it will make the decisions. (Some other distros may be similar; I just don't have the experience.) Please be aware that while I would not expect you to have any problems, there is always a small possibility something could go wrong, so you should be sure to have adequate backup of your Microsoft system. (Of course, you should always have an adequate backup whether you are installing Linux or not!) With Ubuntu, there is yet another option that is even easier and does not require repartitioning the disk. For recent (I am not sure when it first appeared) versions of Ubuntu, you can use its wubi installer to install Ubuntu as files (I am guessing two files, but I am not sure) on your Microsoft partition. The wubi installer is supposed to work much like any other installer for MS Windows. DISCLAIMER: The above is from what I have read. While I have on several occasions installed Ubuntu into a multi-boot environment, Microsoft Windows was never present -- and I handled my own paritioning. The only time I have installed Linux onto a system with Microsoft to form a dual boot system was (ahem) a few years back when I installed Red Hat 7.0 onto a system which contained Windows 95. NOTE: Please note that if for some reason you plan on (re)installing MS Windows along with setting up dual boot, MS Windows should be installed first. This is because Microsoft does not play nicely with the other children on the playground. Rather, it thinks it should be the only OS on the machine, and its installer behaves accordingly. EDIT: Lpast's point about adding a second drive was well taken. Nothing I just said is intedended to discount it. If you do not do a wubi inastallation, then adding a drive removes the need to shrink the MS Windows partition. Good summary of technological attacks on freedom: http://blog.ofset.org/ckhung/index.php?post/106a
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 Rank: Rook Joined: 2/6/2006 Posts: 411
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Just as there are various flavors of Windows, (basic, home, ultimate, professional, server), each distribution of Linux has various versions ( home, enterprise, server, LiveCD). Now why are there so many distributions?
Well, since Linux and associated apps are opensource (mostly), that means the code is available for anyone and everyone to acquire, modify and release. This means by deduction that there are going to be tons of "versions" of the original which I believe was an amalgam of the Linux kernel (written by Linus Torvalds) and GNU applications (written by many developers and put forth by Richard Stallman).
I believe Soft Landing Systems packaged one of if not the first Linux distribution. This morphed into the three grandaddy Linux systems. Red Hat, Slackware and Debian. From these three have evolved hundreds of distributions, all with varying degrees of usability and features. Whereas in the Windows world, some implementations never see the light of day beyond the walls of MicroSoft, Linux distributions multiply like rabbits and it is up to the consumer to ferret out the best of the bunch.
Now, there is nothing in the licensing of Linux that prohibits a for-profit company from taking Linux, modifying and improving it and selling it. Just as there is nothing that prevents a guy like Bill Reynolds aka Texstar from working out of his basement and giving away or selling his version.
To answer the question. Each distribution has versions that do the same thing. Mandriva, PCLOS and Ubuntu have different versions that are more suited to desktop, server, home use, enterprise, multimedia. etc. OpenOffice has the ability to play nice with most MS Office features and formats.
Installation of Linux on the same HD as Windows is indeed easy. I have loaded Mandriva on over 75 PCs with and without Windows, on the same HD and on different HDrives and have never ever damaged a Windows installation..... not once. Windows will however, I repeat, will destroy a Linux installation. Heed Jimmymacs advice. Always install Windows first! ( I have installed Linux first then Windows, but it was not pretty)
Anyways, for the newb, I recommend a LiveCD first and then move to installing Linux on a spare computer that you can afford to trash as you learn.
There are two types of LiveCD: Live only and Live with option to install. most distros are of the latter type and come on one CD/DVD with the option to install additional applications from an online repository.
There are also full install versions that must be installed to your HD for them to work. These can come on one CD/DVD, but most come in sets with many additional apps.
Both of the above versions will usually install a complete working software system that includes the operating system, Office Software, web browsers and tons of other stuff...all available on the one CD/DVD.
Within these versions, there are additional versions that present the user with the option to choose different desktop environments. You can't run them at the same time, but you have the option to choose various DE that suit you. The three most well known are KDE, GNOME and Xfce. So you see, by the time you add up all the permutations, there's a lot of choice.
Thankfully, the community at large has by virtue of the marketplace narrowed these hundreds of versions down to about 30 or 40 well known ones and from that, I would recommend about maybe 8-10. In no particular order:
Xandros - excellent distro for newbs but costs. free version is hidden away and forum chatter indicates that Xandros has "collapsed" CentOS - generally more suited to server apps but a very solid and conservative distro for the desktop Suse - I hear it's good but have no experience PCLOS - great for newbs, based on Mandriva but a little less cutting edge Mandriva - Red Hat derivative. Great for newbs. Cutting edge apps and kernel. Experienced user base and forums Ubuntu / Kubuntu, etc. - most well known and have quite a few versions but I think lack the maturity of PCLOS, Mandriva, CentOS VectorLinux - smokin' hot distro. Runs fast and is solid but uses Xfce(can be changed) as default desktop which may throw new users. PuppyLinux - great reviews but haven't used it in a while Kanotix - good solid distro but has had some personnel dificulties Fedora- the Red Hat community project. I have had mixed results with this distro but lots of people like it LinuxMint- great reviews, no experience
Maybe a few others
Remember, each of these disros is based on either Slackware, Debian or Red Hat and most have a LiveCD version and an install only version. And within that, there are versions using different desktop environments and application packages that will slant it towards home use, enterprise use, server use or a combination.
Whew! enough for one sitting. Hope this helps. Any corrections welcome.
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 Rank: Rook Joined: 1/8/2006 Posts: 432
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Thank you all for all the imformation you given . I did receive my windows7 install disks. so far I haven't taken out of the package yet.
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